But putting it onto paper is getting easier and easier and more accessible and, and that's, that's great.

Yeah.

And I think also musically, getting a degree or not, it's not ...

You know, neither way is correct.

You know, like I didn't get a degree in music, and I consider myself a musician, but getting a degree in, let's say, jazz, it will hugely influence the type of music that you make.

And so it's just, you know, what kind of music do you wanna make? If you wanna make very complicated jazz that's really sophisticated harmonically, maybe you should get a degree and learn more about how to do that and learn about brass arrangements and things, and the harmony even, like how to technically speak about that.

But, um, but then, you know, I'd also argue that two or three of the jazz musicians that I'm close with didn't get a degree in jazz, and they don't know how to say like this chord or that chord, but they know how to play it.

That's gonna be your domain, Howard.