I remember

being top secret.

They were like, it's an invite-only thing.

I don't know what it was for.

I don't know if it was filmed.

This was one of those things where Che... always looked out for us.

Michael Che was one of those like early heroes of what we did because he always, which is interesting because he was doing comedy for less than us, less time.

And you've you you you said, let me grab on to the pendulum while it's over here and give aid and comfort to the rich.

Could you continue to talk about the crossover between the cult of incels and other extremist ideologies like QAnon or white nationalism? What do you think is like the culty crossover between those varying sects?

The cult aspect.

is the fact that these are people desperate for community.

So QAnon, we've always joked on the show, is that it was always about the friends they made along the way.

Leading to January 6th, it was about more so very lonely people that have decided that their view of life... obviously the internet helped a little bit, people not understanding that your phone has its own algorithm, that what you're looking at isn't what everybody's looking at.

And so I feel like that's one thing that fucked with some people, the fact that they don't have media literacy, the fact that that's really hard for them to parse the fiction and reality, they can't figure it out.

And I think that QAnon allows them all to agree on a together reality, which allows them to a sense of comfort and a sense of belonging.

You

So, uh, Black Cat, reporter on Patreon, asks, "What advice would you give to a new podcaster trying to grow a community?" I know we touched on that earlier, but yeah, any, anything you can really say to someone who's just getting involved in the podcasting world?

You have to have a naive attachment to doing the show.

Like, you really need to ask yourself, do, like, do I wanna do this all the time, and really love it, like, and, and get into it.

And the main, the key is showing up same time, same place each week, every week.

Being dependable.

There really is a, the internet has a little bit, like, I was talking with somebody, the, the, the inter- internet as a medium and the fact that, like, you can build a trust with an audience that you c- that film and TV can't.

And it's building a place for people to go, and it's really being there, you know, rain or shine, you know? G- I, I remember when I was starting to do comedy in New York, I think the same axiom applies, where it's like you'd do the same show for three people that you do for 5,000 people.

Mm.

Some people were cooks

...

but it's true.

The My Lai Massacre was not an isolated incident, but also there were a lot of people that saw zero action.

There were people even in Vietnam that had entirely wildly boring experiences just within Vietnam.

That is part of the reason why the experience has been so hard to kind of capture, I believe, because every single person had a different story.

And it, did it do its job?

Well, they said it did devastate areas, but then the problem is, is that we then discovered that most of the, their bunkers were all on these giant already-built underground s- systems.

Yeah

...

I think that are a part of what makes people really good at something.

Like they were talking, I was just, you know, reading about, um, like, the, with Michael Jordan, they said like the main issue was like the thing that he had that nobody else had was that extended thumb.

Like he had a thumb that was so far out, like the way it was set in his hand, it made it extremely easy for him to palm the ball.

Right

... for how they act like they had nothing to do with this, that, like, as if Megyn Kelly wasn't fucking front row like Jack Nicholson, cheering, cheering this shit on, normalizing all of this.

And now you're, you know, they, they wanna have these sound bites too, where like, "This is fucked up and terrible." How do we save our senses of humor as a society when they're being weaponized against us in this way? Like, how do we figure out how to joke-

Tell me about this metaverse experience you had this New Year's Eve.

So I was asked to do, it was during COVID, I was asked to do the comedy for a New Year's Eve party, quote-unquote, in a build-out.

It was like a metaverse build-out.

It was one of those, they had done it for this specific event, and the goal was that people were walking around this virtual space, and they would come upon you, and then your camera would turn on, and you'd see, quote-unquote, the real person there.

Yeah.

I was in a character.

It was wildly invasive.

This is jail.

Okay.

Which means your parents...

Like, he started to go straight to the disaffected youth that are starting to be getting over the hippie movement, where they're like, "Oh, I'm sick of doing all of these drugs.

I'm sick of rock and roll." But David...

But they're still in the lifestyle.

David Berg understood that in order to get to that group, he started to change the way he dressed.

He started dressing all funky, wearing, like, afghans, and, like, he changed up all of his stuff.

It's like early Q.