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Gretchen Primack

Gretchen Primack is a poet, educator, prison-education administrator, and animal-rights activist based in New York's Hudson Valley, and co-founder of the March to Abolish Animal Testing.

Sep 23, 2026

7:49
And that's one of the big purposes of this march is to keep the attention on it, keep the pressure high and to show that we're not just letting this fade away, that we are gonna stay on top of this until our objectives are met and ultimately animal testing is ended in this country.
8:06
yeah i mean i wasn't hit with rubber bullets but i did take my friend sarah to the emergency room for rubber billet injuries after the action at ridgeland she is now here she's here with us marching you are absolutely right jane this is a different tenor this is something else that's my dog charlotte i apologize um But, yeah, we wanted a different tenor.
8:33
We wanted this to be really about the march along the way and about telling Marshall that we do not need to set foot on their property to put them on notice and to raise consciousness that what they are doing is unacceptable.
8:50
We will have children at that march, dogs.
8:53
This will be a family-friendly, peaceful event.
8:57
It will be different than Ridgeland.
8:58
but they need to be on notice about what they're doing.
9:28
What's that about?
34:42
Ella and Gretchen.
34:51
Ella and Gretchen and Jane the Bell.
34:56
All right.
34:57
What a long time coming this day.
35:03
So first of all, for those of you celebrating Rosh Hashanah today, Happy New Year.
35:07
I cannot think of a better way to usher in a new year than by acting to make the world a kinder place.
35:39
world.
35:41
And when our website went live for the March to Abolish Animal Testing, the very first person to make a donation was my father.
9:48
you know it is the it is the uh second person or like the it's the first person who stands up is like vital but it's the second person that creates the movement i know absolutely you know what i mean like it yeah yeah
10:01
yeah yeah um so for the food you know we did tell everyone we are not you are responsible for your own food right just to put that out there so that people could start thinking about what are they going to bring um and then we put out guides for where are their supermarkets where are their vegan friendly restaurants you know at each stop we have support drivers who can take people places but at the same time it's important that people who may not have planned well enough or are here the entire time also have access to think that's where like very heavy snacking of that we bought nuts and trail mix and chocolate and protein bars and popcorn and you know and every day some of that gets put into each of the support vehicles and then what there are water stops and rest stops along the way We'd come out at that point and people sit down with the sandwiches they brought.
11:00
The other thing is that on our first night, we wanted to have stuff for people so that when they got off that first night of marching, they were not looking for a restaurant.
11:12
We kind of catered with Joey at Subculture Vegan Deli in Albany.

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28:34
So I think that's one of the main reasons this is different.
28:38
Yeah.
28:39
And we're in a transitional point right now because we have the technology to pivot this industry, right? Not entirely at this moment, but we could just do it and make it work, right? So we can have laws change.
28:58
We can have government agencies change their policies and still do the work that we have to do.
28:16
That is a big coordinating effort.
28:18
It's enormous.
28:19
I think we're up to something like 850.
28:22
Now, this includes people, first of all, only the ones who have actually registered.
28:26
And we do want everyone to register.
28:28
But a lot of folks are like, I'm just going to the Albany kickoff.
28:31
I don't need to register.

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47:40
Any insights you care to share or just admit to your work there that what you were able to or not able to achieve?
18:12
So tell us about this other awful place and what you plan to do there.
18:18
Well, Marshall Bio Resources makes Ridgeland look like a bodega.
18:26
in the supermarket world.
18:28
Okay.
18:28
They are the Walmart and Ridgeland is the bodega.
18:33
In other words, they in the state of New York have 16,000 dogs.
18:44
They have 30, almost 30,000 pigs, ferrets, and cats, all of whom are languishing there in what's essentially a factory farm.

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39:03
Is that going to be dismantled? Is there anything in recent history that we know of that was that big and that complicated that was dismantled? Or is this going to be a first?
12:49
Can you just, for anyone who isn't familiar, can you kind of give the brief version of what this next action is that you're alluding to and what the next part of the fight is?
13:01
Even while we were still at Ridgeland, there was already talk about pivoting next to Marshall Bioresources, which makes Ridgeland, that hellhole, look like a quaint little bodega next to a Walmart.
13:20
So Ridgeland had an astounding number of dogs, over 2,000.
13:26
Well, Marshall has over 20,000. and pigs, ferrets, and cats.
13:33
So with the success of Ridgeland in the media, in culture, the understanding that we might be at a tipping point when it comes to animal experimentation and how folks feel about it.
13:48
We decided to go big and pivot to, you know, the super Walmart of animal experimentation breeding facilities.
13:56
And right away, I had this idea, which I spoke about exactly one month ago today on our henhouse.

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22:23
So what kind of support do you still need? And you mentioned people could get in touch with you via Instagram, but also just tell us what Instagram handle.
6:12
Like, is this a good, is this a strategic way of getting people to awaken to why we need to shut down all slaughterhouses?
6:20
It's strategic in a few ways.
6:23
One way is that anybody who was involved in the action, even if they only came because they care about dogs and they would eat a hamburger, you know, in general, theoretically after a rescue like this.
6:37
Because of the context there, we're, we're forced to think about that.
6:41
The leadership was vegan.
6:43
They were talking about all animals when they were making public remarks.
6:48
There were vegans in every one of the small groups, so those conversations were happening.

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21:31
Mm-hmm.

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