He and his team published a study on this in 2009 and then tried to figure out how to translate it into clinical practice.

One of the things that we did was we came up with what we called the postpartum maternal health record.

And the idea was, you know, all kids used to get this little yellow immunization card, like in a plastic sleeve.

And so we created this maternal health record, which was going to fit in the sleeve with the immunization record.

And when they went to, you know, for the baby to get checked, it basically said, you know, you need to get your blood pressure checked.

And there's places for it to write down.

And it was really to help the patient advocate on their own behalf, but also to take to their primary health care provider to say, based on this, you should be doing X or Y.

He eventually presented it to an international group he's involved with called FIGO, the International Federation of Gynecology and Obstetrics.

So something of a platform also for SA young stars.

Yeah, 100%.

I mean, we force our franchises to pick, uh, you know, 223 players, and you're starting to see the benefits of that, uh, in the system.

Um, you know, you think about the likes of Mapaca, uh, Lwandle Pretorius.

I mean, it's crazy to think that Dewald Brevis is, you know, still only 23 as an example.

But, uh, you know, under 19 tiers looking strong, uh, and then that, that, that talent starts coming through into our system.

You know, the difference is when I, when I played for South Africa, you know, people globally only saw sort of the 14 or 15 players that are part of the national team all the time.

From a brand perspective, the SA20 has also punched above its weight, if you will, because, uh, when you talk about, uh, T20 cricket, you now talk about the IPL, SA20 amongst the Big Bash, as well as the PSL and C- uh, CPL in, in Caribbean cricket.

I mean, when I went there in Cape Town in January, I was with my family and it felt like everyone's needs was catered for.

Yeah, look, we try and provide a stadium experience that everyone from families right through to those that want to have a great day out and a lot of fun.

can have.

Everything we do is very fan-centric.

The decisions we make around the entertainment, the stadium experience, even to our sponsors.

When we're building in our sponsorship contracts, it's always a fan activation like a car giveaway or the Catch 2 Million.

Every element is around trying to make sure that our fans have the best experience.

From a brand perspective, the SA20 is also punched above its weight, if you will, because when you talk about T20 cricket, you now talk about the IPL, SA20 amongst the Big Bash, as well as the PSL and CPL in Caribbean cricket.

So as you look at that course over these past five years, what has, what has struck you?

Yeah, I was back there a few times after the Taliban took over as, uh, a researcher for an NGO and also as a United Nations consultant.

Um, it's a pretty calm place at the moment.

Uh, as you say, you know, the world's deadliest conflict has come to an end.

For several years, uh, battle deaths in Afghanistan, uh, exceeded the body count in any other theater of conflict in the world, and now it's a place that you can visit and, and drive around.

Uh, it's a lot easier if you're a man.

Um, and you know, I think, um, conditions for, for women there are not something to, to gloss over or, or hand wave away.

That is not what the Taliban was fighting for for 20 years.

That's interesting.

And so, so that's tips him in favor of a couple of... uh, against a couple of others and, and gets him as first place on my shortlist.

Um, we're moving on a few years to my next one.

Um, and it's no surprise that, um, it's Alan Hardisty.

Um, Alan was signed in 1958 and stayed with the club till 1972, um, during which time he played 400... on, on 401 occasions, scoring 206 tries.

Still holds the record of being our top try scorer.

Uh, 78 goals, 42 drop goals, total of 858 points.

You know all about John Joyner by [laughs]

So the system needs to change, and Dr. Smith has some thoughts on what can be done to boost delivery of support services and who could be delivering some of those services.

Maybe we should be training a whole lot more nurse practitioners.

The burnout rate of midwives is very high because they're always on call for their patients, you know, which is unlike what obstetrics does now and what family medicine who are doing obstetrics, uh, do.

They work as a group.

Midwives are a little bit different.

So there's lots of midwives out there who've left midwifery, but they are excellent.

You know, they are great in terms of breastfeeding support.

In fact, Dr. Smith says that if he could change the system, all women would be seen one week after giving birth instead of the current standard six weeks after birth with more visits if needed planned right away.

Uh, just wanting to get your thoughts on that.

Yeah, I think it's a, it's a clever way to manage the relationship we have both with America and China.

So we have an alliance with America, and we have a strategic partnership with China, and we're one of a handful of countries that's in that boat of having signed agreements with both parties.

So how do you manage it? And this is a clever way to do it because, um, you know, we are never gonna change our alliance to America, and economically, it's very unlikely we can find a substitute for China as a trading partner.

It's still one-third of our trade volume.

That's not gonna change overnight, and that applies as much to, to the sector I work in as it does to a whole bunch of other industries.

So how do you manage that tension? This is a sensible way to do it, is to say we're committed to the alliance, and we're committed to the strategic partnership, and we're not gonna trade one off against the other.

Mm.

Is it a good thing or is it more difficult?

Obviously, the equity was built off a very strong broadcast deal in terms of Not only the commercials, but production delivery as well, which also is not a cheap exercise at this type of scale.

When you're putting on a game a day, as Eddie said, it was a whole new thing in South African cricket.

Domestic cricket had lost its crowds.

International cricket, as I said, lost faith.

So now you're taking on a game a day, production to get that six different parts of South Africa is quite a big thing.

So... on the back of a strong broadcast deal was how sort of equity was, was derived.

Could you just talk us through that dynamic of how you've been able to get that balance of being more domestically focused with your players and talent? And have you seen that turn into more domestic interest as a result?

Sometimes we've not stepped up to the plate and taken them on these occasions in the past, but I'm glad we did today.

Yeah, they rewarded themselves, didn't they? Because what we've seen from this team so far this season is so much earnest hard work.

Quite a lot of chance creation at times, but they haven't always given themselves the points they deserve from their performance.

Think about Fulham away, think about Bournemouth at home, Tottenham at home, and it's absolutely vital that you...

if you're gonna play well, you actually end up with the points at the end of it.

So the fact that they, they went for it, the fact that Farke went for it with the substitutions, I, I thought was great.

I thought it sent exactly the right message to the crowd and to the team, that they weren't just gonna be satisfied with a point against- at home to Fulham.

What did he have to say about that?

Where do we apportion the blame, if we need to blame anybody, for the, uh, the lack of attacking threat? Is it a boardroom thing? Is it a tactics manager thing? Is it a bit of both?

I think it's both.

I think they wanted another attacker, they didn't get it.

We'll, we'll be saying it all season, you know, at least until January, unless they, they go and pull a rabbit out of a hat in January.

We might be saying it, say- saying it to the end of the season, because it's the most obvious problem with this squad.

But there also seems to be a problem, to me, in playing with fluidity, playing with cohesion, and unless Noah Okafor does something or Gudmundsson goes on one of his crazy runs, it doesn't feel like there's really an attack that's gonna lead to something.

It doesn't feel like Leeds have a real threat or danger about them.

You know, th- there's probably a ti- if you are gonna do it, there's gonna be a timing element, I suppose.

But do you recognize any potential dangers there? Have they been good partners to work with? And do you understand England's reluctance maybe to go down that solely IPL owner route?

No, I mean, I would say initially, you know, I was a bit wary over the fact that you didn't have a South African entity involved, you know, and how that would receive.

But I think on the other side, it was actually received in the opposite.

I think people and fans and, you know, entities in South Africa were quite shocked that IPL franchises were looking to grow into the South African market.

I think it was just the nature of where cricket was in South Africa.

So to have six of these, you know, franchises of stature, you know, coming into South African cricket, I think was a huge step for us in a positive direction.

You know, I think it kind of everyone stood back and said, okay, well, I think that they, from our perspective, they've been a huge asset.

It can't happen until 28, but clearly there are conversations happening.