But AI won't know what the doctor knows because they don't have access to the data because it follows them around.

So appreciate that you're saying that and feel like Sparked is open and welcoming in many, many ways and genuinely is.

But until there is, and I've got some solutions here, but until there is some resourcing for consumer advocates, consumer representatives to spend time in the rooms where those micro decisions are being made.

It's really hard and the work often falls to consumer representatives with the resources to be able to go and participate.

Like the great thing about so much of this work is that most people in the room are there off their own back, either in paid work time from another job or they're just there on a day off or taking a day off.

They care about it.

But there's the career benefit that comes along with doing that as a professional and But where I see the opportunities and some solutions is around using the money of the government funded public health system organizations, the other private health organizations where you've got consumers on clinical governance committees.

For an individual patient,