But I'll let Jeff take over, I think, and tell him where else we're going.

Right.

Yeah.

One of the most important things we all feel is we want it to be live and in person.

'Cause I remember from my own studies Being able to straightaway ask a question, have a joke, look around at your fellow students, have a smile, talk about the vital force until 2:00 o'clock in the morning with some beers.

Forge those friendships which we all have now, those sort of oxytocin friendships where you go through amazing things together, and that's what happens when you're all together, and that's not what happens when you do it on a computer.

So that was really important to all of us because the friends we made and we studied, is it 30 years ago now? Yeah, it began 30 years ago.

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