So where do we

begin? I mean, just hearing Lost in Domesticity, I could have written that word for word, you know, a couple years ago.

I mean, it... is so exactly the same experience that I've had with my husband.

And it just took me right back to that place of feeling really desperate and really exhausted and not knowing how to have that conversation because it felt like I had had that conversation so many times.

But I just wasn't having the right kind of conversation.

And I think that's a really hard thing thing to do.

There's a very big difference from having a conversation about emotional labor where you're saying, I have too much on my plate.

Gemma, what's your experience of this?

What is your current calendar source of truth?

My one source of truth has always been my Google Calendar.

So that is where every single thing gets input as soon as I have it.

So if I get an email that's got a date, it goes into my Google Calendar.

That's how I track all of the things that are immovable on my calendar.

And then I have very recently, and due to one of your recent episodes, started using Google Tasks in a much more serious way.

Because I didn't realize you could drag an email and put it right into your Google Tasks.

What do you tend to do for those bigger sessions?

Can you talk about how this attitude normalizes the idea that sex is a commodity, and it's a commodity that women owe men, and what the wider cultural effects are?

Yeah.

And this one is a really...

Like, this is probably one of the deepest and hardest ones for me to reckon with, um, in my past.

Because, you know, I, I write in the book about my own marriage and relationship and kind of overcoming, but not even overcoming.

Like, trying to move through not only, like, the blatant sexual trauma, but the sexual trauma that I, like, created and kind of, like, cultivated within my marriage because of the messages that I was given and because of the messages that my husband was given growing up.

Um, there is, like, really explicitly an early messaging to young girls, and I'm talking, like, you know, 12 years old, um, sometimes younger than that, where you are starting to get ready for marriage.

So like, I don't know if I can question this." Tell me h- about that.