yeah the the through line of the things you just said to me seem like move it through like keep it moving through as long as it doesn't get stuck like that's the thing and I and then it makes me go Does that mean, is that the same thing on stage? And I'd be curious, because Gabe, watching you do your show and the ways that you create situations for yourself to suffer, how do you decide when to stay in the suffering and when it's time to move forward? And or is that up to the chance of what's happening within the suffering that you've set up for yourself?

Yeah, well, a lot of it is scripted in my head and planned out.

um but there's also a part of what it is to be a clown i believe is that there's a relationship that you have with the audience which is different than like more of a pure skill act in a circus or like you know the the singer in a you know a pop star or a band where you know if you're playing a guitar solo and you mess it up it's not like ruins the experience.

Or if you're singing out of key, like ruins the experience.

But if the clown drops or the clown falls down or the clown struggles, that's part of the genre or part of the character.

And, you know, I set myself up to fail so that I can succeed and so that people can see me succeed through the struggle.

And it's all about, it's about timing and like sort of like a lot of it's instinct and like, feeling for me.

Yeah.