Ruth's case was just one of many.

LaMunyon was amazing.

You know, I, I'm a, a weird little gay New Yorker, and he was this country sheriff from the right-wing, far right-wing Promise Keeper.

We got along great.

He spent a lot of time with LaMunyon while writing his book on Ruth's case.

This was not looking good for the police department.

First they had the BTK killer, who they never solved.

Now they have the Poet, and they haven't solved it.

Mm

... from a rough neighborhood, like you said, go into making films? I mean, you, you said your dad was an ex-football player.

You, you were going to get into football.

[laughs]

No, no, I'm sorry, just the image for me, 'cause I, I watch a lot of movies.

Just the image that a football player gets called in and the teacher goes, "You need to write more."

Wow.

But I will say, the night before I met them, we were going to their concert in England when they, when they, you know, w- had done, they did, like, a reunion tour a couple years ago in 2019.

And the night before, I went to a, um, a party at somebody's house, and the magician David Blaine was there.

Oh, wow

... they're, yeah.

And, and so N- Nathan, uh, knew Dave and Kyle well, and, and I got to know Nathan, uh, for a couple years.

And then I think in 2020, 2019 maybe, uh, Nathan called me and said that he and Benny Safdie had come up with this kind of loose idea for a show based on something that Nathan had really experienced where someone had said that they curse him-