Mm-hmm.

Because for me, like, it is both of these things.

I think, and I think two things can be true at the same time.

It can be a calling in your life.

It can be something you're drawn to do to work and to support women through what is essentially one of the greatest things that's ever gonna happen to them in their life.

It, like, it is a sacred time, and I think it's, there's so much focus on ...

Like, it's absolutely none of my business what people spend their money on, you know? Um, if people want to buy the, the travel system and do up a nursery and stuff as well.

... to their partner why this is money they need to spend.