What are your views on some of the things that, that she's been saying?

Yeah.

Well, I think it's, it's really timely.

I suppose we are at this juncture in world affairs where we have seen backsliding, and this is not just coming from the US, although the US is probably one of the most significant players in this space.

And, and certainly in Australia, we're trying to shore up and make sure that when we're doing initiatives around gender equality and that we are kind of prosecuting Australia's national interest and our kind of national security interests, really, I, I mean, I'm concerned that we don't, don't let things slide too.

And I think that what I know from the research and what we've seen here in Australia heartens me in some degrees and worries me in others.

And, you know, we've had fantastic research come out of Melbourne with Sarah Miga and Kate Reynolds, who've studied kind of some of the growing m- manosphere and anti-rights activism.

Yeah