What's the direct harm? What, what do you see? Is it what it's done? How has it warped the, the society at large?

As my father has defined it, white guilt is not a personal guilt.

And a lot of people, I think, uh, even those from on the left to even conservative who say, "I feel no guilt.

I never owned slaves.

I never segregated anybody." Even some say, you know, "I just immigrated here from, um, Italy or France, and, you know, so I have no guilt." That's not white guilt.

Misunderstanding it complete inc- uh, completely.

White guilt is collective guilt.

And I think a lot of people see that now, that if you make race essential to your identity or your religion is, then you- you're, you're gonna destroy the whole system.

I mean, he was born in segregation, and he

heWhen he came into freedom, after new freedom in the 1960s, he had a choice, which was to either hate America, which would be very logical because he had been denied access to America, you know, the principles and all of that stuff.

He'd been segregated.

And, uh, but through, uh, exploring his Black militia identity, going down the rabbit hole, going to Algiers, meeting with the Black Panther, he finally came to the, to the conclusion that America was the greater country.

The principle had been failed by previous Americans, but because they had been failed, it did not mean that they were tainted.

It just meant that the other people were left there.

So he dedicated his life to living by the American principle.

Yeah.

But h- why did the go- why did the Is- Israel-Palestine conflict become a centerpiece of your, of the story and a centerpiece of this white guilt ideology? Like, what, what is that? What's happening there?

Yeah, it's, um...

I think for us, it's, it's this year of conditioning because, you know, in the film we show him, you were a, uh, part of the, uh, Black liberation movement.

You were, you know, falling into that, into the Black liberation movement where basically liberation movement at that time where we're gonna unite all the oppressed people of the world.

We're gonna come together, and we're gonna take down the man.

We're gonna take down the white man.

So it became a huge power source.

Yeah.

they stood up against a different kind of mob.

Absolutely.

Um, I'm, I'm full of, um, admiration for them, um, because they did, um, they did the one thing that we want everybody should do.

They refused to allow themselves to be reduced to their race.

They said, "No, we are American." And there's a very important reason why you don't allow yourself to be reduced to your race, because what the left has done for the last 60 years, it changed the meaning of innocent.

In the Judeo-Christian tradition, innocent, it, it tied to your charac- to your character.

If you do something immoral, you have a way out.

Go ahead, Eli

Uh, the sol- solution he says is to be an individual, quote, "Be an American." Uh, what do you mean by that?

It's everything, because I think that's sort of what the left had tried to do for the last 60 years.

They've weaponized white guilt, which is basically the collective accusation that all white are guilty for what America did in the past: slavery, segregation, the rest, colonialism, all of that.

So they've done that and to undermine our education system, to undermine our belief in the government principles, the belief in the American principles.

And what they have done most of all is make us fear the charge of racism, fear being on the wrong side of history And so when you have that kind of fear, the American principle cannot flourish in fear.

So the only way to live is you live in courage and to... because that allows the principle to shine, to come forward.

And so you cannot become an...

when they wanna sort of say the things that you and your father have, have basically made it your, your life's work to say?

How so?

Um, first, let me, uh, sh- tell your audience, um, I am deaf, so I have a deaf accent.

And I'll give you a de- um, a definition of white guilt first.

Most people think that white guilt is personal.

They say, "Oh, I have no white guilt." Of course you don't.

You should not feel guilty for what you have not done personally.

I mean, you never owned slaves.

Um, hopefully we can, uh, re- get, get some recognition before we have to get to the, to the disillusionment from the actual coming to pass.

Yeah.

Um, so it's an honor to be on this show, and people are kinda startled.

Um, obviously, like your audience who know that I am deaf, so I speak with a deaf accent, so that way they can just know what that is.

Um, as for the documentary, we knew...

I think my father was the one that had the ability to see what was going on in America, and he knew that you could not have a collision between the civil rights movement and white supremacy in the 1960s without some sort of fallout.

White people were on top, and the civil rights movement said, "No, you're on top because you use your race as your power, and race is immoral." And so the whites fell, and that fallout was white guilt because whites in a way, many whites, wanted to get back on top.

They wanted to be innocent of America's, um, racial crimes.

Mm.

Um, and, uh, tell us why that's a favorite memory of yours.

Um, well, at that time, this was probably, um, 2018, Black Lives Matters was basically in full power.

Nobody was telling the truth in America.I mean, my father, my father was like a fool going on TV talking about racist, well, racist generations, me talking about shows how was the condition at that time, and that's not that, that's not that long ago.

And so when Bob came into Ferguson, and we showed him around, and then he sat down.

He, um, he-- we showed him the spot where Michael Brown, um, died.

Um, it was a touching moment.

You know, he took off his, uh, fedora.

Um, expla-- You know, that, that sounds maybe nuanced, but explain why that distinction is important, thinking about, uh, the culture or thinking about, uh, uh, uh, uh, c- cultural pathologies like not valuing your life or like white guilt.

Explain, sir.

Um, thank you for having me.

And, um, this is my first time on the show, so you already may not know that I am deaf, so I have a deaf accent.

Um, but to your question, yeah, I mean, you're pointing out to something that is very fundamental.

We're sh- we're talking about collective guilt here.

America had practiced, you know, racism, whether it was slavery or segregation, for almost four centuries.

And it's another thing that's very important is to remember that America was a very Christian country.

Yeah.

Explain, sir.

Um, thank you for having me.

And, um, this is my first time on the show, so you already may not know that I am deaf, so I have a deaf accent.

Um, but to your question, yeah, I mean, you're pointing out to something that is very fundamental, which is we're talking about collective guilt here.

America had practiced, you know, racism, whether it was slavery or segregation, for almost four centuries.

And it's another thing that's very important is to remember that America was a very Christian country.

And the, and the civil rights movement was a Christian movement.

Yeah.

Explain, sir.

Thank you for having me, and this is my first time on the show, so you already may not know that I am deaf, so I have a deaf action.

But to your question, yeah, I mean, you're pointing out to something that is very fundamental, which is we're talking about collective guilt here.

America had practiced, you know, racism, whether it was slavery or segregation, for almost four centuries.

And it's another thing that's very important to remember that America was a very Christian country.

And the civil rights movement was a Christian movement.

And this form of Christianity was white because Christianity had been kind of subverted to displaying slavery, to displaying segregation.

That's why I think your piece is so powerful, Eli.

So anyway, go

ahead.

We're praying for him.

So to your question, well, we know who killed Michael Brown.

Officer Darren Wilson.

But his name was not important.

The officer was not important.

First, what's your gut about when it is actually going to come out? But much more importantly, what has the role of white guilt been in America the last 50 years or the last 75 years? I mean, who's benefiting? Who's white guilt serving? Is it serving the minority community of America or is it serving white America?