It could be a mental health issue.

Exactly.

Um, but I, I was very well aware of colleagues who reported things.

There was one police station, uh, in my area, which was an older police station, and they would regularly report the sounds of footsteps upstairs, and some of the police officers would not venture in there after dark because of what they'd heard.

There was one occasion where I was working a night shift, and two police officers, um, from British Transport Police contacted us and said, "Are you available for, um, a meeting in the next half an hour?" And we were like, "Yes, of course.

What's wrong?" And they said, "Well, we'll discuss it when we get to the station." And when they got there, they said, "Look, have you had any reports of something unusual on the main road between these two locations?" And I said, "No, not that I'm aware of." And they said, "Well, we were driving up here last night, and it was about 3:00 in the morning, and there was nobody else on the road.

And we saw this person walk from one side of the road, but then it w- this person walked through the central reservation barrier and disappeared in front of the police car." And we were like, "Well, we've never heard this before, but interestingly, last week in that exact spot, there was a fatal road traffic collision." So we were, we were just left again with, this is what happened.

You know, they can also remember it much differently.

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So I saw that, and I was like, "My goodness, that's, that's what I want to be." Um, but of course, back then, we didn't have, luckily, any of the TV shows that we have today.

Um, so my primary source of information was speaking to people who'd actually had experiences, and my mum told me an experience that she had when she was 17.

I spoke to other family members, and then I started getting books from the local library and the, uh, the library at the, the college my dad worked in and the librarian there.

I can still remember a Mrs. Holvey.

She would get books for me, so my dad could bring them home.

So I was immersing myself in print media, um, to learn from people, the likes of Peter Underwood, Lloyd Awerback, um, Guy Playfair, Andrew Mackenzie, all these people who had written books that were, um, you know, journalists or very skilled in a particular area.

What do you think about some of the new technology, some of those things you just mentioned? Do you, do you find that any of them are definitely credible? Do you find that some of those new investigative tools really do nothing?

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Let me say this.

Um, I think Voddie Baucham said this.

He says, um, "We send our kids to sc- we, we send our kids to Rome and wonder why they come back as Romans." Um, which was his quote about the public school system, which, uh, for him, uh, is fine.

Uh, I don't think necessarily there's a problem with sending your kids, your kids to public school.

I would say the problem is if they're coming back and they're speaking like Romans in a Christian-

Mm.

So I mean, the agenda at school is not the same as our agenda.

Or it could go completely left field and, you know, you could take it wherever you want.

you know uh where i want to take it so i it's a it's a very rare privilege for me to be able to sit down and have a recorded conversation that is not overtly hostile in nature and that's kind of how i want to treat this i think it could be sort of an interesting companion to the the case video overall but i'll keep it short i think that um Like I was saying before we clicked record, regardless of what certain unique individuals have to say about their own sense of authority, the behavioral rehab world and dog training is basically like wide open new ground.

I think that practically nobody except for like three people has any idea what they're doing.

And I think that makes it extremely exciting.

I think that the dogs are fascinating, the nature of their issues, the way that the emotional state is influenced by the environment and how dogs learn and all of these things.

Just the entire process to me is completely fascinating.

And on the dog trainer side, we do get wrapped up with the dogs because they're kind of like the cool part.

Because it actually is a good

meanwhile, Dylan, what has been happening in your life with

Transitions? so much uh so yeah i think just for us we um we always had had a heart for musenberg and uh i i probably a little bit different to to tony where we kind of felt like we were planting in musenberg we weren't so sure about fishhook but we knew the lord was moving the church there um and so we were kind of wrestling with that but wanted to be faithful the lord had given us and so we're serving in the church and kind of changing from 5 p.m.

or 4 p.m. to 9 in a new location, in a new school.

So it kind of felt like a plant, but not really.

And so I had to kind of readjust my whole kind of way of thinking.

I'm going, okay, we're planting again.

It's new.

Hopefully the answer is not some were super excited and

Uh, gene drive tech for invasive species control.

Oh, that's a fun one.

Fun one.

Um, gene drives are...

Ah, they're such a cool tool for conservation, just from like purely scientific point of view.

If we get like ethics aside and whatnot, purely scientifically, using genetic tools to manage and help conserve species is awesome.

Um, there's this like concept called genetic rescue, where you can actually introduce genet- artificial genetic variation into a population.

Uh, GPS/radio collar ethics.

And then other people kinda chime in and go, "Oh my God, I see it too," or, "I hear it." You know, you put the thought in there, and then people wanna believe what they think they're hearing or seeing.

That's something that, I mean, uh, Bridget has alluded to where we w- do work with the Sorrel Weed House.

We do this event called Ghost Busted, which is a three-hour event.

It's an investigation where you get to work with Bridget as an intuitive, one of the investigators from the house, and myself.

And one of the things that we look at are images that have been obtained in the house.

Could they be natural explanations? Could pareidolia be playing a part, where, you know, um, the human brain does like to make patterns and sense out of random images.

Um, one of the other things I also touch on is the work by my colleague, Dr. Anne Winsper.

But, you know, I've, I've heard some pretty clear ones myself.

Once I hear Dylan speak, you'll realize you don't have the same background, but how did you and Brigid end up meeting then?

Um, I'm a, a parapsychologist at Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen in Scotland, although I'm from, uh, from Wales, uh, in the UK.

Um, and I started my PhD in January 2020.

And, um, I always wanted to compare the media effects of the paranormal, so, um, the research is looking at the media representation of paranormal phenomena in research and whether or not it affects the behavior of modern ghost hunting groups.

So I wanted to compare those in the US with the UK.

So I'd already built up a whole lot of contacts over the years, um, with groups in, uh, particularly the New England area, but I had a checklist of places that I always wanted to visit because of its history and haunted heritage, and Savannah was right at the top of that list.

Um, so in May 2022, I spent some time in the Boston area, um, and then flew down to Savannah.

Mm-hmm.