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Drew Gutstein

CISO and security engineer at Gutstein Security Works, LLC (New York), formerly led FedRAMP compliance for Google Cloud and served as CISO at Hudson River Trading.

Oct 15, 2026

16:13
But are we actually seeing a, I'm going to throw this to Drew, a return on those investments? And then my other question, though, is at the end of the day, does the ROI matter as much as everybody's making it out to be? And I'll dive into that as soon as Drew gives his view.
16:30
Yeah.
16:31
Yeah.
16:31
So a bunch of the articles in this section are really kind of delving into like, where's the savings, right? And I think there's like a couple different ways to discuss.
16:44
What I'm considering here is, as a company, I've given AI to my employees, and now they should be saving me money somehow.
16:53
So that's different than I'm building a product that has an AI in it.
16:58
So in that sense, when technology companies are buying these tools, they get all these promises, it's going to save you this much money a year, and blah, blah, blah.

20 MINS LATER

37:37
are, it's like nirvana.
1:25
It's another thing for me to give it access to my money.
1:29
Yeah.
1:29
And sadly, the first thing people want to do is have it fix their budget.
1:35
Right.
1:37
That may be the last thing you wanted to do.
1:41
But yeah, eugenic economy.
1:45
I've been joking for a while now that like the future world is going to be based purely on tokens.

19 MINS LATER

20:22
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