And, uh, if people are not familiar with Hyrox, I, I guess what makes this different from the Comrades, for example, is that people are moving between shared equipment.

equipment.Well, that's the whole concern is that, you know, also what separates HYROX is that these professional athletes, um, they obviously go off ahead, but they're sharing the course with your normal participant.

So even though they're elites and they're at the top, there's a whole... there's probably thousands of people coming after her that are then gonna be expected to use the same equipment.

How, how do you know when you've done too much, when you've gone too far?

I think that's the thing, you know, with, with high-level athletes, it's you're constantly on that tipping point.

You're-- you almost, uh, pride yourself on being able to push past any, uh, normal person's, you know-- A normal person would have felt a little bit of a cramp and pulled back.

But I'm, I've said this lady is a world record holder.

She's trained...

I mean, i- if, if you want to win, what alternative do you have?

Exactly, and that's why I think in the heat of the moment, it's very difficult for the athlete to make a decision.

You know, your heart rate's up.

Uh, you're working.

You've trained for this event.

So I think it's just, it's just unfortunate, you know? And it's not a new thing to endurance sports.

Unfortunately, if you look at Comrades, uh, any sort of running events, this, these things do happen.

How, how do you know when you've done too much, when you've gone too far?

Um, so Devin, in your estimation, how often do executors really underestimate the time involved to actually fully settle an estate?

Always.

Uh, it's [laughs] pretty much that's, that's how it is, Aurel.

You know, I...

Sometimes running sessions that I do, I'll ask the, the audience, "Who's been asked to help a friend move, right? And th- and they wrecked your weekend, right?" So if someone's asked you to be your executor, you know, strap yourself in because it's, it's not gonna be a weekend.

We're, we're looking at years here.

And it's the, the nature of the process in that, you know, two or three years can be very, very normal.

You know, if, if that's a surprise to them, right, uh, that can turn into somebody who's difficult to deal with, even if they're a reasonable person in, in, uh, a normal situation, right? Because it compounds the situation at hand, which is you've lost somebody.