Yeah, certainly

... their experience of what they've been through.

That is often very difficult because people, when they've had awful traumatic experiences, don't want to talk about it.

They don't-- They try not to think about it.

One of the reasons that they get the dreams is because they don't think about it, and they haven't processed it, and it comes through a dream, which is the royal road to the unconscious.

When they're making their statement, you need to be very empathic.

You need to let them set the pace.

Mm.

As-- I mean, this goes back before Vietnam, doesn't it, in terms of-- Talk us through railway spine and shell shock.

Okay.

Well, look, the British are big on their trains.

They introduced the train system to India.

And in the eighteen forties, what happened was that, uh, two hundred and fifty million Brits started traveling by train.

And the trains weren't all that good in those days, and there were a number of train accidents.

And one of the victims of these train accidents happened to be Charles Dickens, the author, and he described beautifully some of the symptoms of what is now PTSD.

Talk us through now, Doctor, what are the qualifying criteria, and where's the debate generally?