Exactly.

It's interesting, you know, 'cause I, um, I sound like a broken record at the speech I give to people about the process, but they, it's about understanding the process and what they're in for and why.

And on that point, Charlotte, what's your view? Sometimes people approach me as a mediator and say it's too triggering to have a plaintiff in the room, and I like to encourage the plaintiff to be a participant, but, you know, sometimes it might be technical legal arguments and you don't need them there.

But my preference is to get...

I want people to participate.

I want that level of agency.

I want it to be a- as transparent a process it can because messages are lost in translation.

Yeah.

Mm

... um, that they knew.

They knew what was going on.

They knew how it was negatively impacting children, especially, you know, around the teenage years.

And they did nothing.

They just profited off it, and that, that's hard.

That's hard to comprehend.

Yeah.