But how can we do that? What advice have you got to help countries and companies become nature positive, to, to leave the nature in better state? What's the practical-- 'cause every- I think everyone would agree with it, but how do you implement that? Who's first? [laughs]

[laughs] It's a big question, Robin.

But, um, but I, I would argue that in fact that it does have a financial cost, um, and that most people haven't calculated that.

That's the truth of it.

You know, we have the work of Dash Gupta speaking about this idea of how if everybody paid for what they used, most corporations would in fact be bankrupted by the truth of those costs, as would most nation states.

So I think, I mean, we have a number of answers, and we're working on that as part of this larger conversation that we're excited to be part of, the Global Future Council on Natural Capital, trying to, as Fawn spoke to, trying to bridge that relationship between nature and capital.

But I, I wanna be really clear, it absolutely has a financial cost in every instance.

[chuckles]