So do you believe that the, Mike Brown has been the vital piece to this?

I do, because, you know, I think any Knick fans who would not admit that through various parts of the season when the Knicks looked incredibly inconsistent and would have a great little run and then just looked terrible and out of sorts, you know, you were wondering whether it was the right decision.

But, you know, Thibodeau, I'm grateful to him.

He's an incredible floor raiser.

He made a, he turned the Knicks into a professional team.

He could only get them so far.

He was so stubborn.

... on this roster that you do not trust?

Grann thinks that Sherlockians brush up against madness so often because they wanna be like Sherlock Holmes, but no one can.

The ability to kind of miraculously and immaculately solve every puzzle of life is beyond our powers, and we do our best, but if you're obsessed with that perfection, it can tip you into madness.

Jacek decided to get a copy.

And he begins to read through the novel, at first almost kind of casually, almost out of curiosity, is, "Who is this person? How can I learn about him?" Um, and i- the novel's a bit of a shock to him.

I mean, uh, Jacek is a very kind of straightforward person, uh, you know, ver- uh, very Catholic, a very strong kind of view of good and evil, and the book is very blasphemous.

It's very creepy.

It's very sadistic.

It's pornographic.

It's very, very post-modern, and this character who happens to be also identified as Chris, the same Chris, like, the way the phone had been auctioned off, uh, the narrator's name is Chris, who goes on this grisly, uh, kind of rampage in the novel, uh, indulging in sex, and eventually ends up murdering, uh, the girl, his girlfriend in the novel.

In an online post, she wrote, "During his brutal interrogation, they referenced his book numerous times, citing it as proof of his guilt."

Yeah.

... um, and has the psychological dimensions, I don't actually want to read 20 volumes on Garfield or somebody.

But, um, this kind of fits my version of a, of a presidential, uh, uh, uh, getting... working a presidential biography.

It's by Candace Millard.

It's The River of Doubt because what it really is, is just a hell of a story.

And rather than being a soup to nuts bio of an individual, it's just plopping down the president in the middle of a situation, in the middle of a story.

Um, which is he's kind of smarting...

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What do you mean by that?

Yeah.

So, you know, this expedition that had set out with nearly, you know, 2,000 men, more than 1,300 of them had died.

It was really kind of a folly of imperialism.

It was a mission kind of bungled from the start in planning.

The public had clamored for war but, as so often with wars, didn't actually really want to pay for it, so they sent off their various people, in many ways, simply to die.

Thousands and thousands of other seamen had died during other battles during this war period, and the war was kind of a bloody stalemate.

So how'd you first come across this story?