Mm-hmm

...

I know sometimes for me I just kind of am like, "Great." You know? [laughs] Like...

But, um, but also just going back to tons of studies that speak to the burnout, that speak to, you know, people, um, you know, uh, around, you know, suicide.

So, you know, really...

And I'm glad that we're br- we're amplifying this as, as a real thing.

So I'm hoping that people that listen to this, that, um, might put that pressure of all the things and realize that, you know, mental health and self-care is central, and it's an important part of, you know, the things that you need to consider moving through your program.

And he said, "The physicians have left the building and they're not coming back, and it's gonna be up to the APPs to save healthcare." That this is a golden opportunity for us to rethink where things are, and the education is a critical step in that direction.

Um, so tell me what the licensing process was like for you.

Okay.

So for me, the first thing I did was I met with Child Care Aware, which I, I had spoke about in one of my videos.

So I met with a rep who kind of walked me through what the steps would look like, and then the first thing that I needed to do was reach out to zoning to know how many children that I was legally allowed to take within my area.

And then there were two, um, there were two trainings that I had to take.

So one was an online training, and then the second was in person.

It was, like, a couple hours for family day homes.

... now you're home all the time, and also there's gonna be a whole new crew coming in?

It gives her a clearer picture before they even get there.

there.One of the things I have found really useful, we've started to go to the National Gallery of Victoria have, um, like low sensory sort of sessions where there are very few people, usually on a weekend or like a random afternoon, but we go to the weekend ones primarily.

And as part of that, they have sensory maps of their exhibitions, so you know where the light's gonna be, where the music's gonna be, so that when your child might have a really big emotion, which some people may also refer to as a meltdown, then you know where the quiet space to retreat to is, away from the eyes of people who may not understand what they're looking at.

And are th- are these common, sensory maps?

I have seen them more and more in public places like that, which does make it a lot easier when you're me.

I know that, for example, some supermarkets offer a autism-friendly or low sensory hour, but it's at, like, 10:00 AM on a Tuesday or Thursday, which isn't super convenient for people who work.

But people are trying to, I guess, make these sorts of issues a little bit more open, so that way if you're like me and you're looking for this information, it's easier to find.

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Right.

And they make it look easy.

So yeah, I think I was really just amazed at, like, again, seeing the capability of what they all can do and then also the variety of moves.

Because again, to me, I don't, I've never really watched the wrestling itself.

True.

Where I'm just like, you know, figuring out, like, okay, like, you know, this is, this is choreographed, but it's also kind of like sport 'cause there's athleticism, but then it's kind of aggressive, but then there's other parts where there's music and now we're dancing.

So it's all just so cool.

But there's, I don't think anything else really like it.

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I knew there were a lot of caves, but I didn't know how many caves you could, like, visit that were structured and with places to visit.

Yeah.

Right

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Um, yeah.

And then so, you know, what, "You awoke, not going back." Like, it was very like, okay, okay

So, yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, that was great.

Okay

... one of our other best friend, like our mu- one of our mutual good friends is my maid of honor, and she informed me that, like, he wasn't there, and she was like, "I thought he was coming." And I'm like, "He is coming."

[sighs]

I just, okay, I need you to know why, and so I'm just gonna be up front.

All of our friends are going around spinning the rumor mill saying that the reason you didn't show up is because you're in love with me and that you couldn't handle-

Oh

... fell in between the table.

But yeah, like, you know, you just see this guy and he's all hype, and what we noticed too was that he was, you know, interacting with the fans and everything, which we were like-

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Like, can you appreciate the context of all of it?

Oh, 100%.

I was standing here looking at this room kinda the way that you felt in Triple H's office.

'Cause I'm standing there, like, pulling out exact memories as I'm standing-

Right.

No, no, not exactly.

But I'm imagining having that knowledge, you know? And just knowing how much this room holds and how...

You know what I mean? Like-

Okay, boom

...

I said, "You know, that's not happening like that.

[laughs] That's a little too soon.

I didn't mean literally the day she turns eighteen." Like, [scoffs] those thoughts would just linger in my mind about what he said, you know? And, and I, out of fear of getting into a fight or confrontation about this, I wouldn't go back on it with him and, and discuss it, which I, I should have at the time and said, "Look, that doesn't work for me.

I was serious about it." There's, like, now I see in hindsight I should have dug in there about that timeline of his.

It just, it really felt like he was making all of these major life decisions or, or that major life decision, he was making that on his own, and it felt, it felt very rash.

So you have had serious discussions about it.

Yeah.

And so, yeah, first thought, um, my mom was like, "Well, is he a good guy, bad guy?" I was like, "I don't know." My first thought was, "Is he about to wrestle in jeans?" [laughs]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So yeah, so at this point, I think where we were at is like, "Okay, we think something's gonna go down," but, like, i- I was more focused on, like, "Doesn't there need to be one good guy and one bad guy?"

You do?

The way that you can, can mention this niche memory, and then AJ knows exactly what you're talking about-

Yeah.

See, that's the other thing, I'm also...

I'm not, I'm not good at, uh, like, guessing or, or gambling, 'cause I don't like being wrong.

[chuckles]

And Del- Danielle, I understand that boy's mother sent you a letter.

Yeah.

She, she communicated with my husband and I that, um, she felt that her s- my son had, um, helped with saving her son, and that he was pretty upset, I think.

Andre? You told that he was ...

You told us that he, he was screaming and very upset.

Yeah.

And that you kept telling him that, that he's gonna be okay.

Did you have any community groups that you were a part of where you were able to, like, feel celebrated?

Yeah.

Performing music made me feel loved, and I had talent.

My parents, again, it was just, that's another thing I did for attention, and they never came to see me perform.

When I was 11, my dad said, "I know you like singing, and you think you're gonna be a famous singer one day.

Everyone wants to be a famous something." Trying to squash my dreams as a young child.

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Did you feel like you got an education while you were there?

Do you wanna read your next story that you have?

For sure.

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So, uh, where do we wanna start? Do you wanna start, Danielle?

Danielle?Sure.

So I brought two true crime based stories that we have covered in the past.

One was actually a story that I covered, and one is a story that Cassie has covered, and I brought some condensed versions of them, and it's hard to choose, you know, quote unquote favorites, but these two really stuck with me throughout the last four years.

So I guess I'll begin.

I'll share one to start off with and, um, in episode ninety-eight, I titled it Unfinished Business, and we discussed one of Oregon's most perplexing and enduring unsolved homicide cases, and that is the Crater Lake murders.

In July of nineteen fifty-two, two General Motors executives, fifty-six-year-old Albert Jones and fifty-three-year-old Charles Kulhane, were traveling through southern Oregon on a business trip.

Bradley attempted to arrest one of the young men for illegal hunting, which they were doing, but an argum-

Yeah, I think you're spot on with that.

Yeah, well, he doesn't stay out of trouble for very long because in 1976, he was arrested again, and this time it was for stealing a chainsaw from an Anchorage department store.

And in a second court-ordered psychiatric evaluation, a man named Robert McManon diagnosed him with manic depression, which is known today as bipolar disorder.

He recommended that Robert receive ongoing treatment and continue periodic psychiatric treatment and follow-ups, but it's pretty unclear.

If those recommendations were ever followed is kind of uncertain.

Robert then spent another year in prison and then once again was released on probation, and once he was free again, he returned to the streets of Anchorage to watch the women, like Danielle had been mentioning before.

By the autumn of 1979, Robert Hansen was 40 years old, and his past crimes had been largely forgotten.

It was actually a teenage girl, and this time she had gotten away.

[cymbals crashing] Danielle, thank you so much for joining me today, and I know we've spoken already before, and you know, you have some feelings about money, as we all do, but in your own words, could you give me a little bit more context or details about where you're at in your relationship with money and how I can be most helpful and supportive to you today?

I think that money has always been, like, a little bit of a complicated topic.

I grew up with, like, you know, my parents didn't have much money, and they were in service-oriented professions, like trying to help other people, and so money was kind of something that if you had a lot, then it was, like, egotistical or selfish and you weren't sharing with others.

I feel like saying that now sounds a little bit strange.

I don't know if I have the best language for it still.

Um, but that is actually what I went to college...

I went to college to try to be in a profession that was helping other people, just really geared toward that.

Mm-hmm.