He's going to have to do that.

Exactly, and I'm telling everybody, look, he wants to export his tax and fee program and spending into structural deficit program to the nation.

People need to wake up and be alerted.

I'm very, very excited to see that people are starting to find out and learn about him.

That's part of what my campaign is doing.

We're exposing this.

He can't build a bridge.

Now he doesn't want to debate you anymore.

... uh, under, under the group?

... that was tongue in cheek.

And I tell you, I did not anticipate that because, um, I mean, we anticipate...

I worked...

Uh, Governor Ehrlich was my, my chair of helping me prep, and, uh, and so many other great people, and I appreciate, uh, how they helped me.

But that was one that was kind of off the radar screen.

Um, and I, I just kind of is joking a little, like, because in the legislature this came up and, and a friend of mine, um, uh, I won't name her, but she...

What's your message to them? How do you get those undecideds to sway your way?

I was really shocked at how bad he is at this stuff.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, no, he had trouble under the lights.

And I think every time I poked at him, he seemed to get a little bit upset.

At one time, he turned to me and he said, look, I invited you to this debate to have a conversation, not tell lies.

I mean, that was kind of where I knew that he had kind of fallen off.

He just kind of lost it there.

DanCoxForGovernor.com, DanCoxForGovernor.com. What state did your daughter go move to?

I was really shocked at how bad he is at this stuff.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, no, he had trouble under the lights.

And I think every time I poked at him, he seemed to get a little bit upset.

At one time, he turned to me and he said, look, I invited you to this debate to have a conversation, not tell lies.

I mean, that was kind of where I knew that he had kind of fallen off.

He just kind of lost it there.

DanCoxForGovernor.com, DanCoxForGovernor.com. What state did your daughter go move to?

I was really shocked at how bad he is at this stuff.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, no, he had trouble under the lights.

And I think every time I poked at him, he seemed to get a little bit upset.

At one time, he turned to me and he said, look, I invited you to this debate to have a conversation, not tell lies.

I mean, that was kind of where I knew that he had kind of fallen off.

he just kind of lost it there.

DanCoxForGovernor.com, DanCoxForGovernor.com. What state did your daughter go move to?

How can that change? What would, you know, what would, uh, your administration do to incentivize business in Maryland?

So I had the privilege of recently meeting with the number one business state in the nation, uh, the governor of that state.

I met with him and his wife.

It was a beautiful moment.

My, my wife and I were able to meet with them privately.

Uh, a very gracious man, Governor Kemp from Georgia.

And now before you think, "Well, wait a minute, I thought Florida was number one," well, it's up there, yeah.

How do you plan on doing that? What, what makes this campaign different from the last one that you ran, and how do you add, uh, add, uh, supporters to the table?

[laughs]

So I researched, and there it was.

It's called an underwater vibration or underwater noise permit, and what it does is it means you have, uh, they have to work 12 hours on, 12 hours off.

And if they see a turtle, they have to stop work, and they can't work again until they email the government and get a green light, um, to go ahead.

And it's just, um, it's, it's hampering and slowing, slowing things down, especially the 12 hours on, 12 hours off.

But that's just one, one permit, so there's a lot of permits here.

And, you know, when you look at that, it just is ridiculous because Governor DeSantis was able, and Governor Hogan both, they were able to build similar bridges, this, particularly the Harry Nice Bridge, uh, over a similar waterway, actually 30 feet deeper over a federal channel, but that was the Harry Nice Bridge, and that was built in two years.

Yes.

It's a damn shame.

It is.

And sadly, the Inner Harbor is half closed as well.

I mean, most businesses are closing or closed.

So, yeah, we need to revitalize.

We have got to turn that around.

And unfortunately, thankfully, the great, great people that care about our country are helping us.

are the people in the hinterlands, away from the population centers of Montgomery County and, of course, Baltimore, what are the people out in the countryside saying who are sick and damn tired of the direction that Maryland has taken?

Why do you think that is?

Because they're not happy with him.

I, I have been there, I've talked, I've campaigned, and I, uh, literally have been told by so many people who did vote for him the first time, they're, they're not wanna, gonna vote for him again because they feel like he's left them behind.

They feel like he's ignoring their voices, uh, that, that he's not really engaged here in Maryland.

He doesn't really have a heart for, you know, ev- the, the young people's, uh, concerns.

Uh, they don't have a future to, uh, invest in property.

They don't have a future to actually get out of their, um, you know, their parents', uh, living, you know, the living with their parents.

That is so true

It seems like his answer was Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

Yeah, that was his whole game plan, but in reality, all, all of these issues began before Trump, and we pointed that out.

I mean, his deficit, I mean, we are facing a looming deficit.

The train wreck is coming, and, uh, even the Democrats now are, are getting kind of frightened by, uh, this, this governor's absenteeism.

I mean, he's an absentee governor.

He's out of the, uh, you know, the state probably, I think he's up to about 300 days now, and he has not actually come up with a plan to fix this.

It's a 3 billion negative structurally, and recent, uh, analysis shows that it's gonna be probably four or 5 billion within a year.

So what's that alternative, Dan Cox?

The Empire State Building was built in one year, Dan Cox, and he can't build this bridge.

Well, you know, and I've talked to great people.

We've been door-knocking everywhere.

Democrats and independents alike are having to change their entire lives because of that in Anne Arundel County and Baltimore County.

It's just a disaster.

People have had to change their doctors.

I've talked to business owners who've had to close because that bridge is closed.

And now good luck charging your EV without having to get a second mortgage on your house.

What would you say is the state of Maryland right now under Democrat control?

Well, they're ab- you know, putting us in the hole.

I mean, they're...

Literally, Wes Moore's own government has announced that, um, we're looking at a $3.3 billion, uh, deficit likely coming.

Uh, and part of this is because over, uh, the objections of people like myself, a state delegate, they passed this, uh, what was called Blue- Blueprint for Education, which had a $32 billion, uh, price tag.

But unfortunately, with all good intentions, as you know, uh, there was no, uh, paying for it.

Uh, and now we are paying for it.

[laughs]

What would you begin to do to turn around the fact that 40% of our energy right now we're getting out of state, not in state, to help drive down people's energy bills?

Well, this was one of the bold proposals that I mentioned last time that I ran against Westmore.

And I warned that his approach of shutting down the power plants would bring a severe crisis, I thought.

And it seems to be headed that way.

We cannot continue to close plants with no alternative sources.

And so I was glad that the federal government heard our cries and kept Warrior Run open temporarily.

Westmore was letting that close temporarily.

When it comes to, you know, exactly how you message, how do you see in the climate with President Trump and polling so unpopular? How do you see yourself winning this election? How do you convince voters that Dan Cox can be somebody to vote for in this climate?

So how do you get them energized and enthused? They'll say they want to turn out, but how do you get them actually to go out and

You hit the nail on the head with the car registration fees.

Everywhere I go, we are so excited to see the responses.

I introduce myself, and they ask me what my platform is, and I say, well, we're going to start with putting those car registration fees back in your pocket.

It's outrageous.

And every person says, you got that right.

And they're looking forward to that.

So is that something you're going to look at as well? And what kind of relief can you afford?

What did you find out in this poll?

Well, you're absolutely right, and I appreciated you, uh, calling that out.

Um, you know, we looked into it and...

Because we, we knew from the poll that it was just released from Fox that, you know, Marylanders are overwhelmingly, uh, saying that we're heading in the wrong direction and that they're not happy with, uh, Wes Moore, uh, and his leadership.

And sure enough, the poll is actually, um, a Terry Jacobson poll, and Terry Jacobson's a lobbyist.

He's a registered lo-- you know, the company's a registered lobbyist.

But it's not any registered lobbyist.

Um, is there anything you can do short-term, and, and what are your long-term plans?

How are you?

Well, good morning, Kim.

Thank you so much for squeezing in a second here at the end.

I appreciate that so much.

I'm looking forward to coming back later.

But I just wanted to jump in quick and just say, look, this poll should be encouraging to everyone, just like Delegate McDonough just pointed out.

But I have another couple reasons.

Dan Cox, we'll get you back on the show so you can do sit down here in studio whenever you have the time.

What are your thoughts?

I agree.

I mean, when we're out on the campaign trail, you know, one of the things I love to do is to to do the parades.

You know, my kids love it.

And we literally had chants going on in Dundalk regarding build the bridge and cut the car registration fees.

I mean, you got Brad's attention registration.

So it's it's it's hurting.

What about the blueprint? Do you think that this blueprint, this $4 billion needs to be altered dramatically? And what would you do differently? Because it doesn't appear that it's making a big difference when it comes to outcomes, student outcomes.

How is your message gonna resonate with them, uh, particularly when President Trump, the leader of your party, is deeply unpopular here? How do you get your message to them?

Well, this isn't, uh, a federal race.

I know Wes Moore would like to blame the feds constantly.

Um, but the fact of the matter is Wes Moore controls the governor's office.

Wes Moore has a super majority in the legislature, and Wes Moore, um, is doing nothing about his problems right here in this state.

And we can compare that, you know, with other Democrat-run states.

We're pretty much the worst of all the Democrat-run states-

Your comments on that?

And I think if you can build those models internally and still make that profitable for yourself, and the client still wins, you're back to a win-win situation again.

You, you talk about clients there, but I think it's a, it's a key for any leader recruiter is you've got to keep evolving.

And I think it's a massive, like you think about the solutions that what he's talking about, that's massive about staff retention.

If you can bring people on and show them statement of work, embedded solutions, somebody that has never done it before, been very successful, two, three, four, 500K a year retained or contingent biller, but then can open up a completely new world, double their billings doing the same sort of effort and work because they're just embedded in, in the solution.

That's what we've had to do.

Like, you know, we, we started the business in 2021, which arguably is probably one of the toughest times to launch something from scratch.

I'm not saying we're any better than anyone in the room.

[laughs]

What were you actually hearing on social media about the UK over the new year?

What came to the surface was this, uh, rape gang issue.

And, uh, frankly, it surprised me simply because I heard there were a potential, um, backlashes happening against those who opposed it, particularly parents.

And to also hear that while a, a parent might be going to jail, I think a father was arrested twice for trying to rescue his daughter, uh, in a place called Rochdale, I don't know if I'm saying the town name right.

Arrested twice to try to rescue his, his underaged, uh, minor daughter from a, uh, a- alleged, uh, gang rape incident.

He goes to jail and yet somebody like, uh, Qari Abdul Rauf, and this is I think related to what I might have reached out to you about, um, who was convicted 10 years ago and deported or ordered to be deported, and yet here he is still in, uh, one of your cities, I think it's Rotterdam or something.

But in any case...

What, what would happen if, if a, if a British businessman started calling [laughs] for your politicians to go?