Yeah.

Yeah, I think that's right.

For me, it's been quite liberating to realize that fatherhood itself originates in God, the picture of fatherhood.

Often we project back onto God our idea of what a father is, and that's why so many people struggle with the concept of God as the Father because of their examples here, but actually see that it emanates from God's fatherhood, the picture of true fatherhood here on earth.

And I come back to that verse in Ephesians 3 where Paul writes, for this reason I kneel before the Father from whom every family or literally every fatherhood in heaven and on earth derives its name.

And that's liberating because if you really want to know what it is to be a father here, you look to what God is like as a father.

God is the one who defines it.

I found that personally a wonderful place to get that personal connection in addition to just Sundays.

Uh, but how tricky is it having to deal with that? 'Cause you've got zero control o- o- over, over the weather.

Yeah, I think it's hard because it's obviously it's a living thing.

You can, you could come in one day, and it'd be perfect, and then the next day you can see it tailing off, and you've got to be really reactive, you know, with the, the, the irrigation and, and the, the fertilizers and stuff to make sure that, that you're not having that tail off.

So that it's been re- it's been, it's been tough.

It's been a challenge, but something that, that you c- that I'm learning along the way with, with help from, from everyone else in the industry, to be honest.

It's, i- it's been really good, the support from other groundsmen, and obviously from the club.

It... being here so long, I know I can obviously speak to you and you guys, and, and I know everyone to be able to say, "Listen, I, I might not know this, and I might not know that.

He, he's, uh, the next generation.