you've had a lot of experiences though you've been you know you've been at the CL times you've been down in Arizona

yeah so I think like I like I obviously still understand like the hesitancy a lot of people had at the beginning because a lot is on the line for them like their current job i think a lot of other people also expressed concerns about like not being hired somewhere else maybe right if they put their name to to what had happened or what they saw or what they experienced there yeah but i think ultimately like we want to we want as journalists accountability and truth and so i think they you know also probably thought that we didn't talk at length about that, but, but the concerns were there in real.

And I think, yeah, I don't know.

For me, I decided, I think a long time ago that like, I just want to do work that feels meaningful.

Yeah,

I mean, I've been daily newspaper-ing it, whatever, until I came to Range.

And so I have a really deep appreciation for that.

Like, I did Cops and Courts also the first couple years, and it's brutal.

Daisy and I were, were talking about wondering what was going on at the Spokesman Review and, um, kind of sharing what we had heard, and it just made sense to do a collaboration at that point because, you know, Range had done some of the work, uh, before and, you know, breaking the initial story, and I, um, I could bring kind of what I knew and, and so that's kind of how it got started.

I think a lot of people were scared to even talk to us off the record at first, but then I think slowly when they thought about it, I think when they talked to each other, um, or when they give a, gave us like a chance to kind of explain what we were doing and why we were, you know, chasing this story, I think slowly like more people were open to just talking to us and then it, you know, pulling at threads led to more people and more people.

So how would you characterize the impact of this story?

I mean, I, I think it's very layered.

Um, I've seen a lot of people kind of go online and vent about their own experiences, um, people telling me that like it felt like...

I heard, like, from one person saying that it felt like closure in a sense.

Um, I think we're talking about like years of concerns about his leadership, so I think that's like one layer.

But there's also I think a lot to still look at.

Daisy, do you want to add to that?

I think so while speaking with Floor, it was really clear like how because we always talk about how complicated the immigration system is and how it's just really hard to understand.

And even speaking with lawyers, they're like, it's hard for me to understand.

So imagine an immigrant who's not fluent in English having to navigate all of that.

And when I was asking her to kind of describe the legal aspects of it, she kind of couldn't.

And thinking back to, she had tried to apply for asylum after, I think it was around 2017 or 2016.

And she didn't really, she couldn't describe to me like the procedural, like what had happened.

Daisy, I wonder if you could just share before we go anything from your last conversation with Floor about how she's doing, about her perspective on all of this.