... where you're at a conference, right.

Yeah.

I've always thought with Sundays feel very different to conference moments.

Um, so you might experience, you know, your, your worship time here, and, you know, you've all turned up with, you've all turned up because you're passionate about Jesus.

You've all turned up because you're hungry for His presence.

And when you fill a room with 10,000 people that are all hungry for the presence of God, there's, like, you know...

I f- personally find leading at a conference is not difficult, because everybody is on your side.

[laughs] What advice would you have for musicians who are going from a smaller setup to starting to work with a production team?