But what's happened? Tell us everything that we should know and what has happened in the last hour or so.

Well, Charlie, to be quite honest, my head is spinning with everything that's happened.

This paper came out this morning with these allegations.

You know, it's been non-stop of attack and counter-attack and everything else.

I mean, as we know, this is a highly dysfunctional family in any case who would fit in quite easily into EastEnders or Coronation Street without a shadow of a doubt.

However, we have a situation here where...

Thomas Markle Senior has been accused of involvement in child sex porn.

But for viewers and listeners, there is the Met's Royalty and Specialist Protection, which comes in between those two to try and work out what's going on.

What did you learn about Earl Spencer last night, Charlie? Morning.

Well, only confirmed, you know, what I thought that he was, he's a pretty nasty character, to be perfectly honest, in writing this book.

I don't, as you said in your intro, I don't know what he's achieved by it.

I mean, apart from causing a lot of hurt to members of the royal family and to William and Harry, who he vowed, if you remember, in that eulogy to protect the blood family.

I fail to understand why he's done it.

He says he knows a lot more about the then Prince of Wales, but he's not going to say anything.

Well, why say anything at all like that? That's also blackmail, isn't it? It's a threat.

Charlie, are we seeing the result of almost three decades of simmering resentment from the brother towards the former prince, now king?

... said absolutely no to.

I disagree with you about being half in, half out, uh, as, as, uh, uh, in title.

Look, Harry's going to carry on with his charity work, and he's right to do so because he's very good at it, uh, with Invictus, uh, w- um, and, and the, the children's charities, Scottish Little Soldiers and all these sort of things.

Brilliant.

You, you can't fault him at all, uh, for those charities.

Um, you, you know, Rupert has just mentioned that, uh, you know, being cynical about it, and, and I accept that, and I, and I agree with him.

When you think that it was only 2025 Harry was giving an interview to the BBC saying he was never going to bring his wife, uh, back, uh, to the, to, to the UK because it was too dangerous, that is one of the many questions.

But w- what does that do for Meghan? She, she doesn't have the same appeal in the United Kingdom.

Well-

You know, 'cause that's what she really needs.

She really needs that picture of Harry on one side, you know, and the King on the other.

Um, so I'm not, I'm like Robert.

I, I, I think there'll be people at the palace who will be thinking, "Oh, God, no, we can't, we can't have this.

It's not going to be..." A- and there would be people maybe advising him, saying, "It, it might be a good idea because you are, you know, de facto colonel in, in, in chief of the Armed Forces." But there'll be others saying, you know, "Harry will use this, you know, for his own ends." There's no question about that.

And Meghan.

And then like, and you're gonna reward this guy when we told him to stop.

Observation.

Um, but I, I, I think that, you know, we're going to see, uh, in the future, uh, a worthwhile heir to the throne.

I'm not suggesting William isn't a worthwhile heir to the throne.

He is.

But this k- keeps on, keeps on going.

He's now going to Eton, which was the alma mater of his father and his, uh, uh, and his uncle.

Um, so, and it's not far from Windsor.

So, and I agree with Mark that she might not be attracted to whatever version of Harry we're currently getting with whatever strategy this currently is.

He talked to his plants

And then he has corporate, corporate companies, big companies crawling all over him later in life to say, "Oh, could you, could you do this for us?" And I think it's quite good because obviously the environmental thing has now become massive where it wasn't.

Um, and, um, you know, we could criticize society at that time and say that they got that wrong, but I think the royals has somehow got it right.

Um, the Earthshot Prize is a huge success, and in terms of William's own personal, you know, what do you stand for as heir to the throne, Prince of Wales? You have to have a cause, and th- he has made this central part of his cause.

Um, and seeing it go from strength to strength is just a re- I think it's a really good sign.

It's a really good thing for William.

I have no idea whether Charlie would say I was mad for saying that, but in my opinion, I think it's, it's just a huge, um, cornerstone of him as a Prince of Wales

This, this is all working out really well for him so far.

Well, we'll just leave it at that, but how is this not political, or will there be people that accuse Prince William of dabbling in politics by trying to be, you know, a, a fixer here?

Well, well, there'll always be those allegations from various people.

I mean, Rafe mentioned earlier on, and he was quite right to do so, about the rise of republicanism in this country.

And one of their complaints w- and which is the money that the m- the, the royal family get, uh, the, the, the, the Prince of Wales, Prince William at the moment does not get public money at all.

This was set up in the 14th century by Edward III to pay to give an income to his firstborn son, who will be- who would become Prince of Wales, and that's how it's happened all the way through.

And he, he is a s- he's a sort of, uh, manager on the, on the sidelines.

Now, the fact you mentioned that he's now put his money where his mouth is, I would prefer to say he stuck two fingers up to all the critics, uh, who keep on saying that they're using their own money to feather their own nest and everything else.

Right

Mm.

And I agree in, completely with Matt that this is the start of something big for Catherine.

Uh, and, you know, we, we come to an end, if you like, of the battle that she's had for the last four years, and we're now moving forward.

And I'm hoping we're gonna see bigger and greater things from her, particularly on the international stage.

I mean, as Matt said, you know, it's all very well her being with William, but she's, when she's on her own, you know, she captures the imagination and the, the, the people's hearts.

It's very much like Diana.

I mean, Matt talked about 300 journalists, uh, photographers, i, in Italy, uh, you know, wanting accreditation.

Mm.

Thank you.

Um, and, uh, this man, uh, was sitting in a car in a public area of Sandringham and he spotted, uh, Andrew, uh, arriving with hi- one of his own private security guards.

He- they were walking the dogs, as is normal for him.

Now, this man, for some inexplicable reason, jumped out of the car and appeared to run towards Andrew.

Uh, he was wearing what we call a balaclava, which is basically, um, uh, uh...

It's something you wear when it's really cold, and it's got two eye holes and then something for a mouth.

It's, it's [laughs] what we w- we would term robbers would normally wear it with a shotgun if they're going to rob somewhere.

But I think that this is an incredibly unfair observation to make for a woman that is, you know, h- had cancer two y- less than two years ago.

I mean, I think at some point people are going to scoff at the idea of paying thousands of dollars to hear Prince Harry piss and moan on a stage about the privilege he was born into when they're anticipating a thought leader that is going to bring some solutions to the table.

Sure.

And I mean, as Dickie says, the problem with Harry is he hasn't got any qualifications that entitle him.

You know, as Dickie says, you know, to shoot a gun or fly a helicopter.

Apart from that, he hasn't got any.

Yeah, I understand.

And I felt sorry for him, you know, in the admission of his own mental health battles.

I just feel like, Charles, if Meghan were as PR savvy as she says she is, she is or think she certainly thinks she is i think she should show up on the morning show in australia and make a joke out of it

[laughs]

We'd all, we'd all know that he is the favorite of the, of the r- of, of the royal family.

And as Rafe says, um, you know, she had two big favorites.

I, I would put Eisenhower as her favorite, t- to be perfectly honest.

I mean, he was the wartime, uh, general who worked closely with her father.

Um, and he was the only president that came and stayed at Balmoral, and he received...

And he wrote her a lovely letter after tasting the Queen's drop scones, uh, which he dearly loved.

Um, but how much money must you waste on each one of these little initiatives, uh, Charles? That must, that must get expensive being so hyper paranoid.

past Royals she the Queen had learned her lesson and she simply saying you know you can't endorse all of these random things under our name under our prestige and I think the reason we're seeing Harry and Meghan plow full steam ahead is because they have absolutely no respect for King Charles.

No, I mean, I have to say that what is Australia's loss is our gain, to be perfectly honest.

If they're over there, then they're not interfering over here.

And again, yet again, they've... they've broken or about to break a protocol rule.

They've organized this tour, this so-called royal tour, which may be happening at the same time as when the King is supposed to be in America.

although that's in the balance at the moment because of Iran and everything else.

But I mean, he's due to be in America to celebrate the 250 years celebration of America.

he mentions his mother when it's totally unrelated to the circumstances he's sitting in a toronto hilton supposed to be you know supposed to be inspiring real estate agents and he mentions the death of his mom and yeah then it ends up in the papers but it's totally unrelated to the circumstances and it brings the vibe down charles

I think that

door...

Yes, they are passionate about it, but that door is already open because they're doing that sort of job, if you like, through their... own charities and own visits.

So they keep on mentioning as well about keeping their own children off it and trying to protect children.

I mean, it's all part of the thing that they do.

I don't think they need to set up you know, a UK branch of Paint Together or Paint's whatever network.

I mean, because I think they're doing the job in any case.

But when Harry and Meghan talk about how they weren't protected, I think back to those announcements where the royal family is like, well, actually, now we have rules online if you're going to engage with us.