three million people,

some say four.

And Christians would call this the hidden holocaust.

And so I started a group, the American Anti-Slavery Group.

I linked up with Christian Solidarity International, who found a way to tell people about this.

I wrote a piece in the New York Times that broke the story.

But eventually, Christian Solidarity found a way to buy back the hostage slaves.

in red Illinois, yeah.

And Charles could take it from here in terms of why is it important to have a unified voice? That was my intro.

So we did meet in the 90s and we met when I had formed.

I found out that you could buy and sell black people for 30 or 40 dollars.

And I was a liberal, a Jewish liberal.

I went to Martin Luther King's marches.

I was for civil rights.

And I couldn't believe that I...

assimilate to be Europeans.

And I've not done justice to it, but give us a sense of how you came to be seized with this problem when so few others were and what you did in those early years about it.

Okay.

So I grew up—I'm a Jewish guy, and I grew up steeped in Jewish liberalism, and part of that was good.

It was classic liberalism.

And when I saw that—I found out that— You could buy and sell black people in Sudan for $15.

And I found out about it because I was on an airplane.

And then those days they passed out magazines because people didn't have their phones.

The anti-apartheid movement.