but i don't think that's just you yeah okay

so i uh had a consulting job big consulting job 22 trying to present to execs at like telecom companies and american express and you know ridiculous and so i would drink i i you know thought that adults drink wine every night i was a red wine girl i went out and dancing with friends in dc and And, you know, I also like could not cook.

I'd gone eight years to dining hall.

So I would like have lucky charms and open a bottle of wine in my crappy basement apartment.

I was so sophisticated.

It was like out of control.

But that just started me, A, daily drinking, B, drinking when I was nervous.

So I'm curious to know what you have learned from your own journey and possibly from the clients you work with about how being an overachiever driven type A temperament personality type, how that has played a part in this overuse of alcohol how would you explain that from what you've learned about yourself

And he was

like, oh, let's talk about your drinking.

And I was like, no, let's talk about my job.

But, you know, if you're sober, you know that 90% of the issue is the alcohol.

And once you remove that, everything else gets better.

And even if you have big things to address, at least you can see them clearly.

and take action.

Do you have ideas over the years of doing this as to why moms in business, business women too, like why do we struggle a lot with this? Why is

But before I get into that, I wanna know a little bit about you and your background, and kinda what brought you here.

Yeah.

So, you know, I grew up on the coast of South Carolina.

I'm a, uh, 14th-generation redneck, and, uh, just growing up, I, uh, my family has some oyster leases that have been in our family for over 100 years.

My great uncle was a commercial shrimper, so I used to go out and sort shrimp on the shrimp boat with him as a kid in the summertime.

My dad and grandfather and great-grandfather are just big anglers, so basically just growing up, I was always on the water, so I feel really connected to that, and it's a big part of who I am as a, as a human being.

And, you know, just being here and my family being here specifically on the coast of South Carolina for such a long period of time, like, you see some of the issues that those habitats are facing from overfishing pressures, but mostly pollution and water quality, and you see a decline in blue crabs.

Mm.

We're just assuming that everyone's drinking.

I've got a story that's way too long, so I'm not going to share the whole thing.

No, I love your stories.

Tell all of your stories.

I love them.

I was at a conference and it was...

the thing like four or five days before I quit drinking.

I was

Does that make any sense? Totally

makes sense.

And I love that definition.

I really do.

It's, it's beautiful.

And I also think that like, we need to get honest about the drinking highlights and lowlights because for me, I mean, I think it's disingenuous to be like, drinking is bad.

It wasn't fun.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It really is.

And sort of unlike you, it wasn't my profession.

It wasn't my livelihood.

And yet it was ingrained in all the different parts of my life.

It was how I relaxed.

It was what I did on dates with my husband.

But