Does that make any sense? Totally

makes sense.

And I love that definition.

I really do.

It's, it's beautiful.

And I also think that like, we need to get honest about the drinking highlights and lowlights because for me, I mean, I think it's disingenuous to be like, drinking is bad.

It wasn't fun.

Yeah.

[laughs]

... you know, is just more contained.

And so for my 10 years I was a little nervous and I was just like, "Hey, would you want to come on my show to talk about having a sober mom?" And it was amazing.

I'm so glad we had that conversation.

But I stopped when he was eight.

He was 18, and so I asked my audience, I mean my women in my groups, and I was like, "What do you want me to ask him?" And what came back over and over, 'cause they all had like, "I have an eight-year-old, I have a nine-year-old, I have a seven-year-old," was, "Does he remember and what does he remember?" And so I actually wasn't gonna ask that, 'cause I didn't wanna know the answer.

Um, but I did and it was so cool.

[laughs]

Where's the value in that? trying an experiment like that versus deciding like, I'm just done.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, so many reasons that I think it's helpful.

The first of which is, you know, nobody actually wants to stop drinking or almost nobody does.

I always used to describe it as a love-hate relationship that I had with alcohol for the longest time.

And I will say that Even when I had my last day one, when I was moving away from alcohol, quitting drinking was my worst case scenario in life.

So let's go back to the second step, which is to make this time different.