Was there a time or like a moment that kind of gave you the push to sort of lean vegan or have you always been like an animal lover?

I've always been an animal lover, yeah.

There are certain moments in your life, aren't there, where I don't know how you feel about it, which change your feelings.

I do remember being scared of things that buzzed, like bees and wasps and everything.

In those days, my mum used to have a thing called a flick gun, which I suppose was DDT in a can, and you pumped it and pumped it and pumped it to spray.

And I remember in the understairs cupboard, suddenly there was this huge insect, which I suppose was a bug.

I don't know if it was a wasp or...

which is what does good food mean to you?

How did it c- how did this come into your life?

Well, [laughs] it goes back a long way to when I was a kid eating my breakfast cereal, and in those days, you used to get toys with your breakfast.

It doesn't happen anymore now, isn't that rather sad? But with Weetabix, you used to get little cards at one point, um, which had two little images on them.

And I remember taking this one picture out of the, the, the packet, and it was of a hippopotamus.

But there's two images of it, and each of the images is flat, and it says on the back, "Send away a packet top and one and six pence, and we will send you a stereo viewer, and you can look at these things as they're meant to be seen." This is what I did.

In the post comes the viewer.

I pop in the hippopotamus, and suddenly the thing isn't two flat pictures anymore.

What did you hear exactly?

And that's one of the things I've found very interesting working with Brian, is you only need, like, five seconds, and it can completely transform how a piece feels, how you feel about a piece.

Well, that's great.

It, for me, it was instant.

You know, I could hear it in my head immediately.

And the first time you ever played those chords to me, I thought, "Yeah, that's where I need to be." I could hear it in my head, and it came out great, I must say.

[singers vocalizing] [dramatic music] I also persuaded Daniel to leave something off, which I'm very proud of, because the very first thing you heard was, was gonna be, like, synths and choir and everything.

And then, and then we happened to, by accident, I think, just hear it choir on its own, and I went, "Oh, you've gotta start with just the choir," 'cause it's so ethereal.

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How did it c- how did this come into your life?

Well, [laughs] it goes back a long way to when I was a kid eating my breakfast cereal, and in those days you used to get toys with your breakfast.

It doesn't happen anymore now, it's rather sad, but with Weetabix you used to get little cards at one point, um, which had two little images on them.

And I remember taking this one picture out of the, the, the packet, and it was of a hippopotamus, but there's two images of it, and each of the images is flat.

And it says on the back, "Send away a packet top and one and six pence, and we will send you a stereo viewer, and you can look at these things as they're meant to be seen." This is what I did.

In the post comes the viewer.

I pop in the hippopotamus, and suddenly the thing isn't two flat pictures anymore.

What did you hear exactly?