And we feel lucky.

I was totally jealous of the show, huge fan of Rufus and Carrie, and absolutely jealous of the writing.

I mean, I knew Alison was on the show and all I needed to know was that I was gonna be in that world with Alison, with that writing, that's all I needed to know.

And I think both Alison and I have gotten very lucky letting writers write and not sort of, not knowing what's coming is really exciting as an actor.

So can you talk to me about the relationship? What fans can expect this season?

What's fun about it is it's a very real marriage.

I think that Todd's, his gyroscope is a little flicked by the incredibly dramatic turn of events.

He's adjusting to a new role.

Yes.

Then she's in college, you know, the Depression, meets my, you know, my dad then, where y- you're wondering, you know, not only does capitalism work, but does this country work at all? Then she's pregnant with her second kid, and Pearl Harbor happens, and she would always talk about, "I have this box of love letters between my parents when he's on the boat," and she's asking if she can go to the bank to get...

My dad is helping her arrange a $5 loan from the bank because she needed more clothes pins.

She would often say, "I- in retrospect, it sounds like we were always gonna win that war.

It did not feel like that.

Um, it really felt like, uh, you know, it, it could go the other way." Then the rise of, uh, you know, McCarthyism was very scary.

And she was basically saying, "Even cowgirls get the blues," the, like, the world situation is desperate [laughs] always.

... who do not already agree with you?

And I'm like, we got to find out like, what are you drawn from? Who are you drawn from here? Oh my God.

Well, I have very complicated feelings about directors, and I'm more and more vehement about, you know, I worry for young actors coming up, navigating directors is tough.

There's basically one of two atmospheres on a set.

or one of two atmospheres coming at you as an actor.

And one is, and it's interesting because I've done a lot of theater and I'm lucky enough to be able to do both.

There's always a sense at a reading, the first read through of a play of, hey, this might work as flawed as it may be.

But there's a kind of optimism about the whole endeavor.

I

But I think the big difference is talking about how hard that can be, how awkward that can be, and the funny foibles that come up when you're hanging around with a different generation you know and you're trying to keep up with them i thought there was a lot of fodder for comedy in that

and we had both gone through what i think is a common syndrome when you go through anytime i hear somebody is having a difficult time in their marriage or getting divorced, I shudder.

I am Switzerland and I just ache for them because it is such a disorienting, difficult, painful, you know, 95% of the time blameless tragedy.

And and we had both gone through this with this disorientation with we have wonderful ex spouses and our families are our kids are knock on wood.

Great.

Our exes have been.

We all get along with great partners.

I was like, oh,

[upbeat music] Maestro.

Can, can I say something? [clears throat] This movie, this clip, my wife directed it, Amy Landecker, who's in the house somewhere.

She stars in it.

She wrote it.

Uh, it is a little fountain of joy.

[audience cheering] [audience clapping] Uh...

Oh, oh, you were gonna get to the-

... playing husband to, uh, her?

(laughs)

Uh, you know, it's a very weird time for this, um, uh, at the same time, uh, uh, a moment to think about the importance of storytelling (laughs) and the limits of storytelling.

You know, when the show started, uh, it was... uh, they were shooting the pilot before, uh, Trump won that election in 2016.

And the idea of, you know, women's healthcare, uh, the Roe v.

Wade being overturned was, uh, absolutely unthinkable.

And in the course of doing this show, um, you know, last year's... uh, this is an amazing statistic, 64,000 pregnant rape victims, uh, in the United States according to the Journal of the American, uh, Medical Association do not have access, uh, to abortion care in this country.

So it's literally a Handmaids episode.

(laughs)