So that's just a small example.

The premium on being inefficient should be looked at for a real leader.

Going out of their way to be inefficient, to make a trip to see somebody, to pause, to get with somebody and say, "Hey, let's just have this out for not an hour meeting," 'cause that's what Outlook says a meeting should be.

But really just being inefficient, like doing things outside of the technology to open space for that.

And if you're a leader listening to this right now, how's that going? Because all of these are activity creators, and we're getting stuff done, and it might be a thinking partner if you're, if you're even using it well.

But that should lead into a, a long series of pauses that rarely get programmed in and are religiously protected in your calendar, in your day, week, or month.

And I think there's more of a premium now of like, where am I showing up physically in time and space for people? Because it's expensive.

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