The transition sounds you will hear in this episode are excerpts from a recording of their Gamelan practice session in their studio in Berlin.

I visit this library, the state library, because I want to read some of these books written by Sultan Takdir Ali Shabana, who is this Indonesian philosopher.

He's actually an author, well-known as an author, and he was part of this literary movement called Pujanga Baru.

So the new poets translated, literally.

For me, his work is interesting because I think he He was the first one who somehow pushed this agenda of modernity in Indonesia and explicitly using this term, modern, in the context of thinking about what Indonesian culture would be.

And he sparked debate and it's remembered as the cultural polemics because he polemized the idea of what Indonesian culture would be in the context of this modernity.

And what's interesting, this took place before Indonesian acquired independence.

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