And that's one thing that, you know, isn't taken into consideration for that.

No, but technology has changed enough now you have no reason not to, right? I mean, even making a record of what you created and posting it, you can make a website.

You can do anything these days.

It's so easy.

And when you think... 60 years ago or so, it was much more difficult.

And yet people persevered and found a way to keep track of it.

They typed all this information.

enameled.

Do you know when and did you do it together? How did you find this medium?

It started with me in 1981.

I was living in Norman, Oklahoma.

I was interested in making art, and someone suggested I take an enabling workshop that was being offered by the local art center in Norman, Oklahoma.

And so I enrolled in this course, which was supposed to be 12 weeks.

but the instructor only showed up for three of them.

But it made me fall in love with the transformative power that comes with sprinkling glass powder onto a metal surface, heating it up, and what resulted was just magical.

And we recognize that this would be of great significance to the field itself to learn more about its own history.