What kind of influence do you think China is trying

to have globally? The West, the U.S., has a very universalist vision of things.

So they want to spread, you know, their values and values.

their political system and so on and so forth, what we used to call liberal hegemony.

Whereas China, they want to promote a certain vision of the global order.

That's true.

But it is a particularist vision, meaning the vision, and that's the paradox, they want to spread the vision where they're like, We don't want to spread anything, you know, so each to its own.

The British Empire was dismantled.