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So [laughs] so I said, "No, that, that really, that's, that's not...

Let's try to make things a little more relevant to what's going on, you know, day by day, week by week, and we'll also, you know, bring in things from, you know, writings and friends that you have." And I just said, "You know, because you've been in both, in these different spheres, you know, in the, you know, sort of high-end legal world and, you know, people like me," he knows people in lots of different areas.

So I thought that bringing...

We, we get great guests, and that's kind of what's happened, uh, you know, over time is we've had, you know, guests from, uh, you know, Bob Woodward and, and Ruth Marcus and Linda Greenhouse and the, uh, you know, and Ed Whelan, and kind of the, the journalism, you know, area to Justice Breyer and Jamie Raskin and Maggie Goodlander and, and, and plus, you know, legal experts like Will Baude and, uh, Mike Paulsen and many others.

So that's, that's happened and so week by week, you know, I'm kind of a stand-in for the audience asking, you know, questions about things that people that are interested in the Constitution but not necessarily deeply knowledgeable about it, um, might ask, and then Akhil answers it from the point of view of someone that does know a lot about the Constitution.

So I think we've managed to hit both those audiences in our podcast, even as he does in his, in his work.

So when I read The New York Times and read Will in conversation, especially with Steve Vladeck on this, I often find myself very sympathetic to Will's point of view.