What would you say to him? What does he need to do? What's his first

step? I think probably to reach out to...

a therapist, a counselor who is familiar with this space.

Now most, I think it'd be fair to say most counselors and therapists aren't, even if they claim, they might even be sex therapists, but they may not understand addictive behavior.

Or they might be addiction therapists, you know, particularly alcohol and drugs, but they really don't understand sexual addiction.

So in New Zealand, because there was such a porosity of, of education and understanding, we started an organisation called Sex Addiction Specialists Aotearoa.

So the website for that is sasa.nz.

For the dads who are listening, how do we talk to our sons about pornography and sexuality without either loading them up with shame because they're already doing it or... presenting them the power of suggestion sparks curiosity you know when's the right age and yes absolutely it's a

So the well is Jesus, and there's no fences, but coming back and knowing

the well.

So I was a very sort of young, zealous, Pentecostally-minded, kind of get out there and change the world, young man in my 20s, and I think I did some harm to people.

My theology was very narrow.

It was very black and white.

And I sort of bought into that until some of our experiences in Manila and having to rethink a whole lot of stuff, rethink who God was, who I was.

It really was a major deconstruction.

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