So do you want to tell us a bit about why you thought about Better Ways of Knowing, where it came from and what you're hoping this will achieve?

Yeah, we started when I came to the foundation 12 years ago, having a convening every year called Knowledge Sharing.

And we brought together academics, but community voices, policymakers.

We always held those meetings in a particular place.

The first one was in Baltimore and it was so Baltimore was part of this meeting.

We always had speakers that were very current literary voices.

At that one, we had Ta-Nehisi Coates.

But I want you maybe to talk a bit about why RWGF thinks this is a good place to invest in, to continue in providing access to primary data that could be helpful for people analyzing anything related to health outcomes.

What stood out to you from these two days of discussion and exchange of ideas?

Well, this is an amazing session.

And so much had happened since our meeting in the fall of 2024 in Geneva, that was where some of these ideas were first discussed.

And to see both the continuation of the excitement, but also in the context of a very changed world and country now, having a mix of interdisciplinary folks.

For someone like me, who'd been an academic, who'd been a public health practitioner, now in philanthropy and kind of an intellectual generalist, it's brought a lot of really interesting things together.

So it's like really super to have philosophers in the room and I mean, I used to be a practicing epidemiologist.

Now I'm more of an administrator.

Feels like people actually care