You were, I'm guessing, in the press conference as well with Andrew Webster?

No, I wasn't actually.

Oh, you brushed it.

I wasn't working.

I was there for fun.

Oh, you were packing stuff at the ref.

Yeah, well, no, let's not throw it.

Eden Park, on reflection, right call to play the game there?

So,

yeah.

Well, no. Let's not throw it.

Well, I was going to say throw accusations around when, you know, that's probably a bad verbiage, isn't it? I've obviously seen with his press conference and he was very, as he is, as we've talked about, you know, a few times over the last few months, he's very matter of fact.

He's very reflective.

And he wasn't the one.

pointing the finger at the refs.

Eden Park, on reflection, right call to play the game there?

But Alex, looking back, do you think this was a good idea?

I mean, taking action to cut the cost of energy bills was absolutely imperative at the time.

I mean, even at the £2,500 level, it was extortionately expensive for most households.

Something had to be done.

And as Jay has pointed out, if something wasn't done, then we could have conceivably seen interest rates at the Bank of England rise even more aggressively than they did, which was already causing a lot of pain.

However...

I think, you know, I suppose to be fair to people in government, they would say they had a very limited amount of time to respond and prepare their response.

Why are the government reluctant to do those kinds of things to support people with the cost of living?

Are they happy about that, the Warriors?

I'll tell you what.

I asked Andrew Webster on Tuesday.

We did an all-in media conference with Andrew Webster as the coach, and then they put up maybe a dozen Warriors players, and you got one-on-ones with them for five to eight minutes and could chat about whatever you wanted.

And both Andrew Webster and Kurt Capewell interrupted my question and said, don't care about next week.

And it's like, wow, you guys are really, really locked in about wanting to play the Dolphins at Mount Smart this week, never mind who you're playing or where you're playing next week.

I think...

But is he grumpy, Webby? Is he happy, Webby? Is he relaxed? What is he?

Yeah

...

when people have had too many beverages at the G, that it's just, like, chaos.

It's just everyone is getting around this team regardless of the weather, the occasion, their seats.

They're all just there for one purpose, and that's to back this team.

Having said that, you're gonna get double the amount of people to Eden Park if they do end up playing there.

And I know PVL said 95% the other day.

But, um, is he grumpy Webby? Is he happy Webby? Is he relaxed? What is he?

We've heard Gareth explain how the process of privatization happened, and he's referred to some of the problems, but Alex, you know, I'd be keen to know how does this present in the energy system we have today?

We've talked already a bit about the, um, the issues that arise in the, at the point of extraction of fossil fuels and the sell-off of the actual ownership of extraction.

But throughout the rest of the system, there's a number of issues that we're seeing presenting these days.

So if, for example, if we talk about the distribution of energy and electricity and gas around the UK, we have a position where, you know, those assets and the operation of them are essentially in private hands, but they are m- monopoly assets.

If you're receiving gas into your home through one pipe, it's not like someone can come along and build a second pipe and, you know, you can then have competition between the two providers.

You're, you're stuck with whoever it is, your, your network operator or your distributor.

And of course that monopoly status presents a whole range of problems.

What's the solution to this? Because like from my perspective, it-- you could almost see how you could make the argument that if you nationalize parts of the energy system, then is it just the general public who ends up paying for those years of underinvestment? Like in your view, what's the best solution here? How do we right the wrongs of privatization, I guess not just in terms of the fact that, you know, there needs to be an investment in our energy system, but how do we kind of address the fact that a small group of people have extracted so much from our, what should kind of be our public assets? Like, how do we right that wrong as well?

Alex, can you tell us a bit about these? And do you think such policies could be on the cards in the UK's future?

And I think you could do a fascinating psychological study as to why the people of Britain in the modern era are so averse to behavior-led responses.

I mean, we've hardly sort of done anything in terms of, you know, for example, petrol prices are up.

Maybe we should ask people to drive a touch slower or, you know, gas is in short supply.

Maybe people should turn the flow temperature down on their boiler slightly.

Of course, both things that would also save people money, but are sort of helping to reduce demand as well.

And the press are screaming, the rights are up in uproar.

Alex, I don't know if you want to come in on this, but it kind of sounds like high interest rates then impacting our ability to prepare for future energy crises.

My Irish mates are going to be giving me

stick.

I was waiting for the Paul Beer trophy to be named.

What's that? It's the Rugby League World Cup.

Is it actually? Oh, yes.

I think it's Barrier or Barrier.

B-A-R-R-I-E-R-E.

Should you have?

Mm

... that you signed for, uh, and somewhat of a player exodus 12 months ago, and senior and respected players screaming from the rooftops that something has to change, that maybe, just maybe you'd stan- you know, step back and go, "Perhaps we should change something here." No, no, no, no, play on, play on, play on, as per.

Play on.

Yeah.

Unreal.

I mean, that, that...

Look, I know that you're doing, uh, a job that so many people would, would kill to do to be able to play cricket around the world.

Obviously, the, the remuneration would go all right too, but you know, it's those moments when you take the kids, drop, literally say, "I'll see you later," give them a kiss and head back or that those moments must be pretty tough on you, mate.

What got you, what were some of the early influences that nudged you into this sort of personal development, performance and coaching world? Well, I think there's a couple of, there's a few

bits.

It's all family based.

My dad was into sport.

So he liked cycling and karate when I was a kid.

My granddad watched a lot of cricket, used to play.

And I don't know how, but when I was a kid, I used to watch a lot of sport on TV.

a

And it just wouldn't be worth the while.

I think the thing that I find most galling about this is that the voices that now champion the loudest more drilling in the North Sea, were or maybe are now the ancestors of the voices that championed the sell-off of the North Sea.

And when you look today at the fact that actually over the lifetime of our North Sea basin, it's produced a not dissimilar amount of energy to the Norwegian basin.

That's quite a shocking start.

People assume Norway's rolling in oil and gas and the UK isn't.

But actually over the lifetime, we've had different profiles of extraction over time, but it's actually not that dissimilar The Norwegian sovereign wealth fund now owns 1.5% of every listed share on the planet.

And we haven't got two pennies to rub together.

Would we be able to deliver such a programme for electricity now?

Alex, what do you think of this?

Well, I think something I find interesting looking at that period is the idea that's sort of quite popular amongst progressive think tanks that you get today is the kind of idea of an essentials guarantee.

And it's interesting to look back at that period and think a bit about the extent to which the rationing system that was in place then fulfilled that purpose.

I don't think it was quite the same thing because it was actually at times acting more as a sort of cap on your consumption rather than a guarantee of a minimum because you still have to pay for what you consumed.

But you did have some security that your share of the energy resource, in this case, typically coal, was there and was available to you and there were price controls on it.

And I sort of think interesting because when we've published research, you know, advocating for forms of essential energy guarantee, something we often get pushed back in social media circles and things is, oh, you're calling for rationing again.

And, you know, that sort of harking back to this negative vibe of wartime and it's something that Britain has left behind.

And I think, you know, if we're talking about nationalization, are we saying nationalization right now is something that would bring benefits to people? Would it bring down people's energy bills, for example?

Sure is.

Just global sports calendars.

So yeah, Rob's gonna join us to reflect on the last few months on the road.

Look ahead to what we've got home summer, and also who's gonna be Luke Ronchi's replacement as Black Caps batting coach.

There's a few candidates who have done interim stints with this New Zealand team-

when the machines come for you.

Did you, speaking of internet, uh, blunders, did you see that the Miami Heat accidentally posted a YouTube stream for the LeBron announcement on July 27th? So still three days away.

[laughs]

How's it looking over there with Rugby League?

Hey, Adam.

Yeah, exciting, to be honest, mate.

As soon as New Zealand and 20th team gets thrown into the same sentence, I think not only rugby league fans, but sports fans, even casual sports fans, sit up upright and go, oh, OK, here we go, something else for us to support.

The...

I'll take you back to the start of all of this.

So this has been going on for a few years now with whether there's going to be another New Zealand team for a while.

How do the Waas feel about this? Alex, the Warriors?

How's it looking over there with Rugby League?

Hey, Adam.

Yeah, exciting, to be honest, mate.

As soon as New Zealand and 20th team gets thrown into the same sentence, I think not only rugby league fans, but sports fans, even casual sports fans, sit up upright and go, oh, OK, here we go, something else for us to support.

The...

I'll take you back to the start of all of this.

So this has been going on for a few years now with whether there's going to be another New Zealand team for a while.

How do the Waas feel about this? Alex, the Warriors.

Talk about the feeling you have of knowing that you have changed the direction of sport on a global scale, Lance

Chapman.

Wow.

No, absolutely not.

I'm a moron with a microphone.

That's where most change comes from.

Honestly, this is entirely down to athletes.

The circuit breaker.

That was just outstanding.

Yeah, I had big hopes going into that game.

That game absolutely delivered for both the quality, the enjoyment, the rollercoaster that it took us on.

It looked like Morocco was just gonna dominate.

Brazil then adjusted.

They showed that attacking prowess that we've been expecting throughout this world cup.

It's gonna take a lot to exceed that as the best game.

Mm.

Are advisors holding leaders back in not providing the proper information and kind of briefing, if you will, to set them up for success in online environments and how that environment works, which is different to other communications channels?

Yeah, that's a really loaded question, Raj.

I think, look, if I look at the way that I've seen advisors deal with leaders is, yeah, sometimes I think they go in too hard and it's, why are you not doing this? Why are we not talking like this? And suddenly, guess what? That human behavior we talked about recently closes off, the wall goes up, and they get more entrenched in that conservative, that risk-averse thinking, which is, I think, It's very hard to pull out from.

So I think, one, it's in the approach that their advisors need to take.

And I'm not saying be gentle and kid gloves, but it's I understand where you're thinking and you need to lean in.

You need to listen to your leader to understand where that fear or where that approach is coming from.

Second of all, and I think this is a really important point, and coming from seeing the health and pharmaceutical sector for quite some time is – How are you trying to encourage, how are you trying to use the carrot for your leader? Is it that you're trying to refer to an endpoint or a KPI that you can't measure because a leader wants to hear a KPI they can measure? I've seen this, and I'll give you an example, is that a competitor came to a market in the pharmaceutical sector, was much more bold, could speak a lot freely, and that competitor was while not being the first in market, started to absolutely cannibalize the market share of this other pharmaceutical company.

I'm interested to know from your perspective, what does good practice look like there? What practical advice would you give to people on how they can shift away from an output's focus and control to some practical steps they can take around positive inputs and setting their leader up for success?

He might as well not be in the

studio.

He's more chatty when he's not in there.

Hey, what's going on in your show today? Ryan Thomas is going to join us out of the All Whites camp after 9 o'clock.

Looking forward to catching up with him on the note of the World Cup.

Mark Bosnich as well, who is part of SEN's coverage for the Football World Cup.

He's going to ring in from Australia and Paul Tito out of the Blues camp ahead of the year.

In the toilet bowl.

Hasn't it?

Has to happen, doesn't it? Tana Umunga is the coach alongside Dave Rennie.

In consideration, so whether he does, I guess we'll wait and see.

But I think everyone would wholeheartedly agree that Tana would bring a lot of mana.

He'd bring a lot of Tana mana.

And obviously a fantastic thinker, a well-respected figure within New Zealand rugby and global rugby circles.

So I think he'd be a very... popular decision, if Dave Rennie wants to go that way.

just...

What's

on your show today? Matt Stephen from the New Zealand SailGP team is going to join us at nine.

He had a bit of a rough start to his time with the team with them crashing out in Perth in his first regatta with them.

So we'll catch up with Matt ahead of Bumper Weekend this weekend.

James Parsons will look his eye over the Blues after Israel Dagg's, I'm calling it a bold take, that the Blues are going to win Super Rugby yesterday.

Did

But you don't necessarily win the title in week one.

No, you definitely don't.

I'm about to ask our man Chappie here, what is the plan for opening stand? Anything we should be across?

I'm going to run through a whole lot of numbers at the top.

There's all these numbers floating around after that test with the amount of overs being played and how few tests that some of these bowlers have.

So we're going to try and streamline these numbers a little bit and just make it a little bit more clear, give a bit of clarity to the listeners.

But I'll tell you what, going through the numbers, this bowling attack, How inexperienced.

Genuine.

Seven caps.

too.

Where do you sit now because of those white balls with how they're going to go on the red ball, your excitement levels?

Yeah, and we'll pose this question on the opening stand this morning between 9 and 10.

This whole mindset, like, game's going to be over in three days, New Zealand's going to win.

It's like, where's this come from? What if it's an absolute green top, West Indies win the toss in bowl first and roll New Zealand for 120? And I think that's the whole thing about the West Indies at the moment, right? This air of uncertainty that someone like Kimar Roach, who's been playing test cricket for what feels like 45 years, is probably going to be the leader of their attack at 37 years old and yet still strikes fair, I think, into opposition sides.

Yeah.

you look at the way they perform in the white ball uh series a lot of them are going to be playing in the test series which often isn't the case for the west indies they have guys that come in and out of the white ball teams and then it's just like a throw together side for the test similar to south africa a lot of the time but as south africa have shown when they have their first choice test team which yes the windies don't with no alzari joseph no shemar joseph unfortunately but the core of it's there and And the core of the guys that played the white ball series are here still as well.

So I'm very intrigued to see how this West Indies side plays.

Your personal expectations on King Kane?

What's coming up on Rick and Chappie today?

Cricket, football, and a bit of rugby.

We're going to start with Hamish Rutherford after nine o'clock, looking ahead to the 50-20.

A bit of rudders, actually.

University Oval.

Chat about Jacob Duffy as well and what a leader of the attack he has become.

And then on the note of cricket, Steve Harmison's going to dial in from the UK after 11, and we're going to do a big old deep dive into the Ashes, which is Eight days away and, as usual, all the talk is about off-the-field stuff.

Is Harmie considered a has-been as well in the world of Benny Stucks? Is Harmie one of the has-beens?

What have you got for us? Where are you going?

I'm going to be really boring and give you guys like four different things here.

I will be doing a same race multi of Al Rifa and Half Yours.

I think you can't really go past the form of both of them in this part of the world and also in the UK and Ireland with Al Rifa.

I can't stop thinking about what's happening with J-Mac with Maydan.

It's with owners that he doesn't normally ride with.

He's had to get really low weight.

He's coming out of 22 on that horse, I