You're forever tied to the

Knicks.

I'm dating myself really well here.

I started as a stagehand doing concerts in college as a student, and I was hooked immediately.

There was something about being behind the scenes Being behind, you know, backstage, you know, it was hard work.

It was unloading trucks, putting sound and lighting systems up.

But I wasn't a really good musician, so being on stage wasn't an option for me.

Marsha Flanagan from IAEE worked with me early on because they had done the work for the show organizers and it took years to So we need to look at, through the pandemic and through the workforce focus and emphasis on the trades, how do we shortcut that process and get the fastest path to results and outcomes? And that's through the Department of Labor Registered Apprenticeship Program, through the Career and Technical Education, because that has to link with industry advisory boards, and then mentorship and job shadowing.