Mm.

So I- I'm using it in two ways.

So I say the- the, um, capital M matriarch for me is a collective.

So...

And I don't even think that in modernity, uh, is only older women.

I'm kind of refining that- that thinking process because I think that, um, I think that in the...

Because in the modern context, we're so, um, divorced from lineage, and from rites of passages, and from being initiated, and from tribe, and village, and all these things that make us, us.

Mm

I feel nervous now.

No, it's a lot of good stuff, which is in the cauldron here.

And I think what's coming up for me is this – Tim brought in the, I think maybe even before we recorded, I'm not sure, but the notion, you know, in the indigenous cultures of Australia, there is men's and women's business held really separately.

And it's so clear what's men's business and women's business.

And when it's so clear, then the leader of men's business wouldn't be told by a woman what he has to do in his domain, but he can get advice and vice versa.

Now, in modernity, we live in this mishmash.

It's still controversial when I go and give talks or speak and I make a stand for the female mind.

Thank you.