But those first couple of years when West Perth were just starting to re-establish themselves again as a contender, what do you remember from that time playing against, you know, alongside some great players and with a variety of players you had the privilege of playing against in that era?

Yeah, look, honestly, it's pretty hard to remember back that far.

I've had a few head knocks along the way too, so memory's not great.

I think like the biggest thing, like I actually do remember compared to now is how many people used to be around on the outside of grounds and that's how much Waffle's changed since then.

You know, there were three or four thousand people there back then from memory.

But like obviously you go through ebbs and flows.

You know, I think in 2022 and the years leading up to the training standard was really, really high.

Sold it off with [laughs]

Is that a realistic goal for where you're at and where the club's at?

Well, I think that's part of the conversations that are going to happen, mate.

I – Part of my role within the footy club has definitely changed, like we spoke about, the leadership aspect of sort of on-field coaching and development as a player.

So I still have that...

I guess that is providing a little bit more than just on-field performance.

Am I performing like I used to? No, but the role changes and what I'm bringing is different.

So from that aspect, I still think, you know, let's just say I was to go for another two years.

We shared that as well.