I guess from your perspective, how are each of you addressing or what were the shortcomings that you see in the marketplace? And what's your perspective on how to go about addressing that with the next generation of entrepreneurs? Sure.

Okay, so listen, a little context.

I mean, I think you know this, but I spent most of my life on the advisory side and the corporate side on human development, leadership development in context of large-scale innovation, right? So organizations in pharma and tech that were trying to do things that were sort of industry shifts, right? And so this issue of development is...

I've got a multifaceted perspective on it, I suppose.

What we were trying to do with DAE as a nonprofit was to bring that work to audiences that forget about not getting to be on the sort of bleeding edge of things.

They weren't getting to be on the trailing end of things.

And we thought, can we experiment with just leapfrogging? And without getting into, you know, 30 years of perspective, the bottom line I'll give you on it to answer your question is consistent.

I remember in one of the universities that I was involved, president of university asked me, Of the startups that university created last year, how many IPOs we have had? So somebody has heard that, yeah, there was a university, there was a startup, they had IPO, but they didn't realize that there is something in between of creating a startup and having an IPO.