So you go with the evolution of the psychological warfare.

I think the psychological warfare now, honestly, it's...

It's at a different level than what I came in with, I would say.

Or, I mean, it says a lot where, I mean, this is where I was going with this before, where I believe, like, back in the day, like, you go on the show, you left it there, and you went home.

Now, people don't shut it off.

They just take that, and they bring it online.

And they live online.

When are we

That's how it's, that's the way I'm viewing

it.

No, absolutely.

Absolutely.

Like all the way back to, I think it was Challenge 40, I think it was.

What was the one where me and Anissa were on a team where it was the go-karts? I think that was...

But we got stuck on...

Have you

I wonder if that— But I love

it because it's more about—and I always say this.

Like, we got lucky.

We hit the lottery.

We won a free trip, right? Or 40 of them.

Whatever.

What I'm saying is, like— 20-plus years of it.

Having gone through that whole system, is there anything that challenge gods, the challenge world can take from a show like traders?

Who's cool? Who's not?

Yeah.

I don't know.

I know there's cameras out there floating around.

I don't want to see you creeping.

How do you feel about that will prick? We know that T-Page is somewhere in there.

I think, to me personally, I think the challenge is more interesting when you have more of a human aspect of the game.

Okay, is it my turn? Yeah.

All-stars, is that what you said? Yes, I did, actually.

But I just, I like the idea of, like, one of the...

I'm gonna sound like a dick, right? But I'd like to know, and back in the day, the challenge was more fun in the sense of, yeah, you had to be athletic, but it didn't matter if you were training for the Olympics, because you could just, in the end, there was always an element of anybody can win, and that made it fun, and it took the pressure off, so you can just, you know, put on a pair of roller skates and a disco outfit, and try to set up giant dominoes,

watching us.

You know, people have always asked me what my favorite season was and what was the best place I've been to.

And I can't, well, I can't say.

Each location on each challenge has different memories.

And, you know, gun to my head, I would say what's jumping at me right now is one.

the fucking den they put him in or whatever, but I was like, I couldn't believe what you did.

I was playing nice, too.

I knew what time it was and what was going on.

With Pilot Pete and all that, what was going on, I appreciate him, but he was coming in a little too strong.

You did one dating show.

I already won 67 at this point.

You want me to follow you? Take your hood off.

on, fuck you.

Paulie Calafiori.

I will say this, though.

He, uh, I can honestly say, like, for someone who's so open in life, I, I mean, I can respect how he does have a, a firm line.

He does have boundaries.

Uh, based on principle.

Uh, some things that are non-negotiable, and I, I mean, I can respect that, you know.

Not now, not ever, will he ever be faithful.

[laughs]

[laughs]

[laughs] The old-heads know what I'm talking about.

And there was an arcade right behind it.

I used to walk over the bridge to the canals.

I used to hang out at Gate Five, Gate Four.

I used to actually go on the Constitution whenever I wanted, believe it or not.

[laughs] Yeah, [laughs] I swear to God.

And then here we are