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Heather Mac Donald

Heather Mac Donald

American commentator and essayist

Oct 6, 2026

31:20
Yes
31:20
... drunken bacchanals, uh, which is m- sexual modesty, even, God forbid, chastity and, and male chivalry.
31:28
Uh, and we're supposed to believe that that's all, uh, oppressive and patriarchal, and that men and women, males and females are absolutely equal on the sexual battleground field, and that the female libido is just as active, just as, uh, voracious, omnivorous as the male libido, all of which is completely untrue.
31:52
Uh, so the females are strong women together, and yet it turns out the way these campus rape narratives work is that it is still, uh, completely on the male's responsibility.
32:04
He may be drunk, she may be drunk, but in traditional terms, and this is what the Ingalls suit is, is pushing back against, the male is responsible both for himself and for the female.
32:15
Uh, she's viewed as a helpless victim, somebody without any agency.
32:20
Now, I'd be willing to sign on to that idea.
Blake Neff
Blake NeffPANELIST
35:28
... era of Title IX policies, Heather, two minutes here, you should lay out what are we bringing back if we allow this story to grow out of control with the narrative they're trying to sell us?
43:02
Yes
43:02
... drunken bacchanals, uh, which is m- sexual modesty, even, God forbid, chastity and, and male chivalry.
43:11
Uh, and we're supposed to believe that that's all, uh, oppressive and patriarchal, and that men and women, males and females are absolutely equal on the sexual battleground field, and that the female libido is just as active, just as, uh, voracious, omnivorous as the male libido, all of which is completely untrue.
43:34
Uh, so the females are strong women together, and yet it turns out the way these campus rape narratives work is that it is still, uh, completely on the male's responsibility.
43:46
He may be drunk, she may be drunk, but in traditional terms, and this is what the Ingels suit is, is pushing back against, the male is responsible both for himself and for the female.
43:58
Uh, she's viewed as a helpless victim, somebody without any agency.
44:03
Now, I'd be willing to sign on to that idea.
47:11
Title IX policies, Heather, two minutes here, you should lay out what are we bringing back if we allow this story to grow out of control with the narrative they're trying to sell us?
47:53
Yeah
47:53
... gang rape going on.
47:54
But in fact, the idea of promiscuity on, is an extremely important one.
48:02
Uh, the male libido, if you release it from traditional norms of chivalry, of sexual propriety, of protecting women, uh, it will be extraordinarily crude and gross and aggressive.
48:20
Females and males have different responses to sexual intercourse.
48:25
They have different desires for sexual intercourse.
48:29
And the idea of female modesty and chastity, another completely taboo word these days, but yes, chastity was an, an, a thing.

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86:44
It's Trump's fault.
13:34
I don't know what you think about that.
13:36
I have no objection in theory to those being the rules, especially today when the sort of social informal stigma against grotesquely promiscuous sex has been wiped out by radical feminism.
13:53
But I'm ambivalent.
13:56
about it being a federal mandate, and it's not because I'm some radical libertarian, and this is a dilemma in all of the university reform, the campus reform that the Trump administration is trying to do.
14:09
He's strengthening the precedent for the left to take over universities again, and it's not as if he's doing anything that is so new because the left has been imposing its mandates, but Doing it when we do it, it strengthens the precedent and it will make it all the more likely that the left takes the power and runs with it.
14:34
So I don't know.
14:36
You could have you could imagine, you know, our solution is going to be that every male needs to be have 60 hours a week of sexual harassment training, that that's the way we're going to be combating this problem.

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33:26
And then we can actually put real pressure on the universities and get them to, you know, return to a probably much less popular, but much more virtuous institution.
AnushaHOST
2:27
And I'd love for you to share with us, you know, how reliable is lab work when it comes to these symptoms? And if you are having even symptoms that aren't within the 52 or 3, what do you do with that information and how can you move forward?
2:41
Oh, great.
2:42
So so much to unpack there.
2:43
So starting with the hot flushes, I'm glad you haven't had one.
2:46
Seventy five percent of women or so do have hot flushes.
2:49
You'll know if it happens to you.
2:51
It's quite remarkable.
AnushaHOST
7:01
And you being a breast cancer surgeon and specialist in our pre-viva program of cancer risk, can you talk to us about that? changes in the evidence-based medicine around hormonal replacement, MHT, HRT, and how do the benefits outweigh the risk?
4:48
And so I'm wondering what's causing these teen takeovers and what is the solution to them?
4:53
I'm reluctant to break the taboo at this point, but I think if you're going to understand this, you need to step apart from conventional media usage.
5:03
These are overwhelmingly black phenomena.
5:06
And the only time the mainstream media acknowledges that is when they've got an expert bashing whites for their racial panic in being concerned about large groups of violent black teens.
5:21
So that needs to be put in the context of certain problems that are happening in certain segments of the black community, not everybody.
5:33
You know, there's a whole range of behaviors, and I'm talking here simply about averages, not about any individual.
5:40
But you do have... a family breakdown level within the Black community that is frankly catastrophic when you have 68, 69, sometimes 72 percent of children born out of wedlock.

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25:51
And do you think that we're going to sort of hit a moment where it's just too much to bear and you're going to see major city leaders say, all right, we have to start compelling treatment in these cases? Or are we going to keep seeing the self-rationalization of harm reduction that you sort of see in these progressive circles?
10:49
It's the recipe for disaster every single time.
10:52
I think that's absolutely right.
10:53
The violence is performative to a certain extent.
10:56
You are performing for the camera in order to get a viral video.
11:01
I'm going to, again, bring up a very taboo topic, which is I think another element of this, not for everybody, but I think it is there.
11:13
that is the result of the oppositional culture that came in in the 1960s where blacks who until then had been doing their best, it breaks one's heart to see the efforts to be accepted by bourgeois society, by white society, by graduating, you know, joining fraternities and insurance companies and going to church.
11:42
and still getting shut out despite efforts to be law-abiding bourgeois Americans, that ended sadly in the 1960s when you had the celebration of black power and oppositional culture with Malcolm X saying, We're not going to even try to assimilate into white society any longer.
16:07
that the majority of blacks are that
9:04
But the permissive attitude about drugs to me was original sin when it comes to homelessness because that's when the dominoes started falling.
9:13
Absolutely.
9:14
The vagrant population has two overwhelming characteristics, mental illness and chemical addiction.
9:23
The sort of medical industry refers to this population as the MICA population, mentally ill chemical abusers.
9:31
And you can see them on the streets of San Francisco, these scarecrow white addicts that were absolutely destroyed in the 60s.
9:41
And now here they are.
9:43
living off the public dime, stealing, destroying any hope for urban renewal.
13:07
What should I do about these County public health departments that are technically doing something illegal in my jurisdiction?
5:07
It's just a housing issue, and we need to build more.
5:10
Well, I think it's both a, uh, financial self-interest because, yes, there are huge, uh, lobbies, interests that are, uh, have enormous profits on the line with this phony narrative about it's the lack of affordable housing.
5:28
I think it's also an ideological interest where I think for the advocates and for many of these left-wing politicians, having vagrants on the streets is visual proof that America is a heartless society, that capitalism doesn't work, that the free market in housing doesn't work, that we need government housing, that we need more transfer of wealth from the hardworking to the non-working.
5:57
Uh, and so, you know, I think there's a investment politically in the status quo.
6:04
But, you know, let me just reinforce what you're saying, John.
6:08
Uh- Any time there's a, a, a brief whiff of honesty in the mainstream media, occasionally you get sotto voce reporting on the, uh, shelter resistance phenomenon, which I have witnessed numerous times.
6:24
I've done reporting on the ground in Skid Row, uh, in the Tenderloin in San Francisco, uh, you know, you name it, uh, in Santa Ana Civic Center, and I've witnessed the vagrants be offered housing and services by these feckless outreach workers who, again, they have a stake in keeping the status quo as bad as possible.
8:34
But the permissive attitude about drugs to me was original sin when it comes to homelessness because that's when the dominoes started falling.
2:43
What are people supposed to
2:43
do? This couldn't happen without a concerted campaign of deception and Orwellian misrepresentation of what the reality is.
2:58
Soto-Martinez, in making his case, called the homeless, and I use that phrase in scare quotes because what we're really talking about here is drug-addicted, mentally ill vagrants.
3:11
Homelessness itself was an Orwellian renaming of a very different reality, but we'll just use it for shorthand.
3:20
He called the homeless our neighbors.
3:23
And, you know, to be neighborly, you have an open arm, you extend a welcome, you invite people in for some cookies or, you know, housewarming parties.
3:35
This is ridiculous.

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11:13
They get the message.
34:02
What do you think this charter, the Toronto Youth Employment Charter, will do practically?
34:08
Well, and I'm glad you mentioned you saw some momentum, right? That there is, even though the percentage of jobs with, by the way, in Toronto is higher than the provincial and national averages.
34:18
So we really stick out as a city that we need to do something about this.
34:22
We've worked together to help create jobs.
34:25
We've been working in lockstep with the City of Toronto.
34:28
and community organizations to unlock jobs and I got to spend time with many young people who've had their first job this morning.
34:36
It was incredible including the youth cabinet from the City of Toronto who've been so much part of this.
36:06
How would you recommend to families and young people to break through like that?
6:51
It's just a housing issue, and we need to build more.
6:55
Well, I think it's both a, a financial self-interest because, yes, there are huge, uh, lobbies interests that are, uh, have enormous profits on the line with this phony narrative about it's the lack of affordable housing.
7:13
I think it's also an ideological interest, where I think for the advocates and for many of these left-wing politicians, having vagrants on the streets is visual proof that America is a heartless society, that capitalism doesn't work, that the free market and housing doesn't work, that we need government housing, that we need more transfer of wealth from the hardworking to the non-working.
7:41
Uh, and so, you know, I think there's a investment politically in the status quo.
7:48
But, you know, let me just reinforce what you're saying, John.
7:52
Uh, any time there's a, a, a brief whiff of honesty in the mainstream media, occasionally you get sotto voce reporting on the, uh, shelter resistance phenomenon, which I have witnessed numerous times.
8:09
I've done reporting on the ground in Skid Row, uh, in the Tenderloin in San Francisco.
10:19
But the permissive attitude about drugs to me was original sin when it comes to homelessness because that's when the dominoes started falling.
9:48
But the permissive attitude about drugs to me was original sin when it comes to homelessness because that's when the dominoes started falling.
9:57
Absolutely.
10:00
The vagrant population has two overwhelming characteristics, mental illness and chemical addiction.
10:08
The sort of medical industry refers to this population as the MICA population, mentally ill chemical abusers.
10:16
And you can see them on the streets of San Francisco, these scarecrow white addicts that were absolutely destroyed in the 60s.
10:25
And now here they are.
10:28
living off the public dime, stealing, destroying any hope for urban renewal.
13:51
What should I do about these county public health departments that are technically doing something illegal in my jurisdiction?
5:15
That seems to always be part of this, that whatever standards are set up, if people can't meet it, we change the standards.
5:22
Well, that was George W. Bush who used that phrase, and maybe Gerson wrote it for him.
5:26
I don't know.
5:27
Yes, he did.
5:28
But yeah, as I say, there's the other excuses for this.
5:33
And again, these are very violent incidents.
5:35
They're not always there.

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23:30
Is there any kind of putting the genie back in the bottle or whatever the term would be? Is there any going back? Do we see anything like that?
92:49
Do you agree with, uh, Steele's formulation, though, this culture of deference that he described?
92:55
Yes, absolutely.
92:56
Uh, that's why we have completely unwound the juvenile justice system.
93:02
It's behind the entire conceit that is so poisonous of disparate impact, which holds that if any, uh, constitutional colorblind law enforcement activity has a disparate impact on Black criminals, it must be a racist practice, and therefore it must be dismantled.
93:20
Uh, and, and it's behind the groveling offering of services, uh, to youth, more services, more free stuff, as a bribe to stop the teen takeover phenomenon.
93:34
Um, you know, that's not what's needed.
93:38
These people have all the opportunities pache- you know, contrary to Brandon Johnson, uh, if they stay in school, don't get involved in crime, graduate, uh, wait until they are married to have children, they will not be poor.
97:40
Mm-hmm
3:09
Is that fair to say?
3:11
Well, it's certainly gone down from the post-George Floyd, the race riot high, where you had the largest increase in one year in homicide, nearly 30% in, in American history.
3:23
And it's come back down.
3:24
A, a lot of that, I think, is just reverting to the mean.
3:27
It simply couldn't stay at that, uh, very, very elevated rate, which of course was made up mostly, overwhelmingly, by additional Black victims who'd been killed by Black perpetrators.
3:39
Uh, but there has been generally, uh, baby steps on the part of some law enforcement agencies to engage in the essential proactive policing again, uh, that y- you know, says to officers, "We want you not just to react to crime after the hap- after it happens, which is a little late, but to actually use your powers of observation on the street if you see suspicious behavior.
4:02
Ask a few questions.

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29:38
Yeah
29:31
I'm like, what does that have to do with you being a nut job when you leave your home?
29:38
Well, you're not helping people by excusing bad behavior because that's not a way to advance in society.
29:45
There still are occasional gatekeepers and barriers to entry if you have a criminal record, if you have not developed those habits of self-control.
29:55
And right now... society at large is so saddled with racial guilt that it thinks that it's doing blacks a favor by absolving them from personal responsibility and coming up with these really i think unjustified explanations that this is all due to systemic racism the fact is as you say carl there are millions of blacks who are absolutely law-abiding who want the police who believe in order who are terrified by these kids that don't engage in this type of behavior.
30:34
But sadly, the proportions of those who do within the black community are much, much higher than in other racial groups.
30:44
And to give them a pass on bourgeois norms and self-control is making sure that they will stay in the ghetto.
30:55
We should not be celebrating oppositional culture.

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38:49
What can we do in the immediate future?
30:44
I'm like, what does that have to do with you being a nut job when you leave your home?
30:51
Well, you're not helping people by excusing bad behavior because that's not a way to advance in society.
30:58
There still are occasional gatekeepers and barriers to entry if you have a criminal record, if you have not developed those habits of self-control.
31:09
And right now... society at large is so saddled with racial guilt that it thinks that it's doing blacks a favor by absolving them from personal responsibility and coming up with these really, I think, unjustified explanations that this is all due to systemic racism.
31:33
The fact is, as you say, Carl, there are millions of blacks who are absolutely law-abiding, who want the police, who believe in order, who are terrified by these kids.
31:44
that don't engage in this type of behavior.
31:48
But sadly, the proportions of those who do within the black community are much, much higher than in other racial groups.

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41:01
What can we do in the immediate future?
26:02
Does that have anything to do with this or am I grasping at straws? I mean, is this really just a black culture problem?
26:10
Well, are you talking about the street vagrancy or about teen takeovers? I would say the street vagrancy is absolutely about the closing of mental institutions and the rise of Thomas Sass, the libertarian theorist of sort of mental history, mental illness, who claimed that, well, mental illness was just a social construct that the uptight bourgeoisie impose on the nonconformists among us.
26:39
So that discredited mental illness.
26:42
And then the received wisdom as well, it was also Ronald Reagan who wanted to save money and shut down the mental institutions.
26:50
And I'm agnostic on that.
26:52
I haven't really confirmed it.
26:55
It's repeated so often that preposterously maybe I'm inclined to accept that as a default explanation absent refutation.
30:39
Is there a path back? I mean, do you have any kind of optimism about this at all?
14:49
So what, what role has this influx of legal aliens played in the homeless crisis?
14:56
Well, it's contributing to it at this point, but it, we had this crisis for a long time before the big welcome mat and, and additional set of incentives for illegal aliens to come to.
15:08
But again, that's a great example, Lisa, and there's...
15:11
Trying to decide what a cause is for a very complex social phenomenon is very difficult.
15:17
You can't test it empirically or s- you know, do a hypothesis testing.
15:22
I would just say it- to notice the phenomenon is already a lot.
15:27
And as you articulate, it is already a lot to notice that government, I call it the great inversion, it has, it has overturned the traditional values that has always governed, uh, and, and motivated governments.

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22:11
So, like, why, why haven't voters caught on to that?
15:34
So what role has this influx of illegal aliens played in the homeless crisis?
15:41
Well, it's contributing to it at this point, but we had this crisis for a long time before the big welcome mat and additional set of incentives for illegal aliens to come to.
15:52
But again, that's a great example, Lisa.
15:54
And trying to decide what a cause is for a very complex social phenomenon is very difficult.
16:01
You can't test it empirically or do a hypothesis testing.
16:06
I would just say it to notice the phenomenon is already a lot.
16:12
And as you articulate, it is already a lot to notice that government, I call it the great inversion.

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24:02
These leftist policies feel like, why haven't voters caught on to that?
8:17
So removing the human lens and then subdividing it in this kind of Marxist way into categories and see how you see it from your quote-unquote victim stance.
8:28
Well, you put your finger on one of the greatest ironies of recent intellectual history.
8:35
Again, I don't want to put off your readers with things that sound patently absurd, and they are patently absurd, but one of the standard tenets of this so-called deconstruction and post-structuralism, which were the dominant literary fields in the 1970s, was that there was no such thing as the self, that human beings were merely an epiphenomenon of language.
9:01
We were a play of rhetorical tropes.
9:04
And again, please, I'm not expecting anybody to think that I'm saying anything significant or meaningful.
9:09
It's nonsense.
9:10
So if you don't understand it, you're right.

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21:21
I just want to know, because I only have you for a short time here, like what, how does this all tie into what you believe is the feminization of these uh, academic institutions? Like how has the feminization, uh, of these institutions led to a decline in the academic erosion that has led to the society creating people looking from emotional points of view rather than factual points of view?
15:24
Is that a paradox?
15:25
Well, first of all, we have to be careful with terms.
15:28
You could say society's being feminized in terms of the decline of rationality, the rise of completely insane public policy based on a failure to cost-benefit a- a- analyze things like with COVID.
15:45
You know, we're gonna shut down the entire economy, uh, put millions of small business owners permanently out of work in order to allegedly, as, as the governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, said at the time, "If we save just one life, it's worth it." I'm sorry, that's not a valid, uh, way of, of measuring things.
16:07
Um, so you have the rise of irrationality in the public sphere, but with regards to females themselves, you could almost, in...
16:18
This isn't the proper term, but in one sense, and I'm-- It's a very specific one that I'm gonna explain.
16:24
It's the masculization of females because what I've observed and written about is the hysteria around so-called campus rape that was really big under President Obama, and you had the Obama, uh, White House drafting these rules for sexual assault hearings on college campuses that were a complete travesty.

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60:19
Mm.
9:23
Have we seen any letting up at all f- of the i- you know, defund the police narrative? Has it just taken on more different rhetoric? Is that what's happening?
9:31
No, it has let up, uh, but not, not sufficiently, and there has not been enough of a discourse in... that is affirmatively in the opposite direction saying that the police, there's no organization that cares more about Black lives than police departments.
9:45
They are putting themselves on the line every single day to try and protect the thousands of law-abiding, hardworking Black residents of high-crime neighborhoods, and when the police back off, very predictably, we've seen this again and again after moments of mass hysteria about phony police racism, uh, crime goes through the roof.
10:06
In 2020 after the George Floyd riots, you had the largest single increase in homicide in this nation's history, 29%.
10:13
Everybody's celebrating now that, that crime is coming down, but it's coming down from an unprecedented high.
10:20
Uh, so it's a little early to, to celebrate as far as I'm concerned when you still have these completely grotesque it- assaults that are going on in cities by drug-addicted, mentally ill people who should be in prison or in, in mental i- institutions.
10:36
But nevertheless, though, though crime remains at a completely unacceptable rate, the property crime, the assaults, there has been baby steps towards giving secret permission to the cops to try and be a little bit more proactive, to do a little bit more of the essential broken windows policing.
speaker_7UNKNOWN
14:46
If the current policies continue and these trends continue, what do you expect crime and policing in some of these major cities to look like a few years down the line?
6:32
Explain for us briefly once again what that meant and what real changes we might see or have seen since the change by President Trump's administration.
6:42
Well, in a nutshell, disparate impact theory substitutes phantom racism for actual discrimination because it became very difficult to find sufficient examples of, of real virulent discrimination by mainstream institutions against qualified Black individuals.
7:05
But you had to keep the anti-racism juggernaut going, and so disparate impact theory was developed in order to do so.
7:13
The original civil rights acts that were passed in the 1960s at the height of the sort of active civil rights era banned employers from deliberately and intentionally discriminating against qualified Black applicants.
7:31
So if you had, you know, if you were a, a business seeking a lawyer and a Black lawyer showed up who was the most qualified, you could no longer say, "I'm not gonna hire you because you're Black." Uh, or you couldn't not hire him because he was Black without explicitly saying so.
7:52
And the federal government said that's just not, that, that sort of deliberate discrimination is not compatible with our understanding of equal protection and civil rights in this country.
8:05
So it, the civil rights laws banned intentional discrimination.
12:11
That eventually affects the health and well-being of all of us down the road.

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