Sep 12, 2026 · 54 min · 21 segments
Sometimes the toughest years force us to rethink the way we manage our ranches. Northern California rancher Kyle Farmer joins us to share how a devastating wildfire changed the way he looked at…
Kyle FarmerGuestJustin MillsHostDon Day
Yeah, I'm a, I'm a volunteer firefighter and I'm also a burn boss with the state of California.

It's funny when in firefighting, we talk about fuel models and ranching, we talk about, you know, cow days per acre, pounds per acre.

They'll talk about, this is a GR four, you know, which, which to me means this is about 3,500 pounds per acre.

right but as ranchers that's not a fixed variable so i'm always at these you know talking these other burn bosses i'm like well do you like that it's a gr4 or would you rather it was a gr2 give me three days i'll turn that into a gr2 and maybe we'd rather burn it under those conditions so i think you know one of the amazing things about being a rancher working with the land is there's a lot of things you think about as fixed variables.

So I guess one of the things I'm fascinated by in general is how do we take these fixed variables that constrain the way we think and the way we act.

And the more variables you can liquefy, you know, sometimes the better choices you can make.
Well, that has a wider implication, I think, is what you just said, how we take the variables and make them a little bit more fluid instead of them being so constant.

Yeah, I'm a, I'm a volunteer firefighter and I'm also a burn boss with the state of California.

It's funny when in firefighting, we talk about fuel models and ranching, we talk about, you know, cow days per acre, pounds per acre.

They'll talk about, this is a GR four, you know, which, which to me means this is about 3,500 pounds per acre.

right but as ranchers that's not a fixed variable so i'm always at these you know talking these other burn bosses i'm like well do you like that it's a gr4 or would you rather it was a gr2 give me three days i'll turn that into a gr2 and maybe we'd rather burn it under those conditions so i think you know one of the amazing things about being a rancher working with the land is there's a lot of things you think about as fixed variables.

So I guess one of the things I'm fascinated by in general is how do we take these fixed variables that constrain the way we think and the way we act.

And the more variables you can liquefy, you know, sometimes the better choices you can make.
Well, that has a wider implication, I think, is what you just said, how we take the variables and make them a little bit more fluid instead of them being so constant.
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