Oct 13, 2026 · 39 min · 13 segments
What happens when you get everything you worked for and it still isn't enough? That's exactly where this week's guest, Sam Vander Wielen, found herself. Sam spent years building a career as an…
Gillian PerkinsHost
Are there any other practical steps that you wish you had taken or would recommend for other people to take if right now they're stuck in a situation that they feel like isn't making them happy?
I think that the first thing I would do is find a hobby outlet, um, something that is completely unrelated to what you do for work.
Like, I was a volleyball player growing up, but then when I started exploring this, I was like, "You know what? Tennis has always interested me.
Like, let me just go try to start playing tennis." So I started taking lessons.
I'm a big believer in picking up a hobby of something that interests you, and y- really utilizing what I call, like, a five-second rule of hobbies, which is if something...
If, if you've ever seen a poster for something or you saw something on TV and it interested you, just don't think about it.
I, I think we can really, like, overthink and talk ourselves out of this thing before, um, before we go and sign up.
And when I start- first started playing tennis, I got to do a new hobby, and I was bad at it.
It made me realize, like, first of all, to just, like, loosen up a little bit and not take myself so seriously, but also to realize it was really fun to have a challenge of, like, something to work towards outside of my work, right? Um, and also just to play something or do something, whatever hobby you choose, for fun that's not metric-driven.

Are there any other practical steps that you wish you had taken or would recommend for other people to take if right now they're stuck in a situation that they feel like isn't making them happy?
I think that the first thing I would do is find a hobby outlet, um, something that is completely unrelated to what you do for work.
Like, I was a volleyball player growing up, but then when I started exploring this, I was like, "You know what? Tennis has always interested me.
Like, let me just go try to start playing tennis." So I started taking lessons.
I'm a big believer in picking up a hobby of something that interests you, and y- really utilizing what I call, like, a five-second rule of hobbies, which is if something...
If, if you've ever seen a poster for something or you saw something on TV and it interested you, just don't think about it.
I, I think we can really, like, overthink and talk ourselves out of this thing before, um, before we go and sign up.
And when I start- first started playing tennis, I got to do a new hobby, and I was bad at it.
It made me realize, like, first of all, to just, like, loosen up a little bit and not take myself so seriously, but also to realize it was really fun to have a challenge of, like, something to work towards outside of my work, right? Um, and also just to play something or do something, whatever hobby you choose, for fun that's not metric-driven.
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