Digging Through the Shit — Rage, Forgiveness & Finding the Lesson with Ann Klossing

**Guest: Ann Klossing** Episode Description What if the thing that feels like everything falling apart is actually asking you to stop rebuilding with pieces that no longer belong? Michaela sits down with **Ann Klossing**, author, spiritual mentor, channel, and self-proclaimed witch, for a raw conversation about trauma, rage, forgiveness, spiritual growth, and the stories we carry long after an experience is over. Ann shares how a disappointing business launch brought old patterns of self-blame rushing back—and ultimately forced her to question why she was trying to rebuild her future from beliefs she'd already outgrown. From bitch letters to God and raspberry patches to spiritual discernment and self-forgiveness, they explore what can happen when you stop fighting the mess and start asking what it has to teach you. **Content Note: This episode includes discussion of childhood sexual abuse, trauma, depression, and past suicidal thoughts.** In This Episode - How old stories of blame, worthiness, and failure can come roaring back when something doesn't go according to plan. - Why anger doesn't have to be suppressed—and how rage can become energy for release, reflection, and aligned action. - Ann's raspberry-patch lesson: sometimes abundance requires cutting away what's dead instead of rebuilding with broken pieces. - Why not getting what you wanted doesn't automatically mean something went wrong—and how quickly we can make an outcome mean something about who we are. - Forgiveness, self-forgiveness, and Ann's personal spiritual framework for making meaning of painful experiences without continuing to relive them. - Why healing doesn't have to happen alone—and the importance of discernment when choosing the people who accompany you on your spiritual path. Memorable Quotes - “It's okay to be angry. It's what you're gonna do with it and how long are you gonna stay there?” - **Ann Klossing** - “Why are you trying to build something out of shit that's broken?” - **Ann Klossing** - “Within shit… there are valuable nutrients in there that will make my raspberry patch flourish.” - **Ann Klossing** - “When you cut away all the extra and the things that you think are necessary, what's left can then be more abundant.” - **Michaela Gaffen Stone** About Ann Klossing Ann Klossing is an author, spiritual mentor, channel, and witch whose work explores healing, forgiveness, spirituality, and personal transformation. Her work includes one-on-one sessions, mentorships, masterclasses, and spiritual teachings rooted in her own evolving journey. Connect with Ann **Website:** AnnKlossing.com **Facebook:** https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056741905121717 To connect with Michaela and learn what discovering self trust can do for you: Witchyshitbydesign.com [michaela@witchyshitbydesign.com](mailto:michaela@witchyshitbydesign.com) Michaela is also the co-host of the Journey Into The Heart Of The Primordial podcast.