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Why is it so hard to leave a relationship that hurts you—and how can you begin preparing when fear and financial uncertainty keep you stuck? Before Dr. Nadine Macaluso returns to *We Chat Divorce* for a new conversation, we’re revisiting our interview from last year about trauma bonds, financial control, and rebuilding trust in yourself. A therapist, author of *Run Like Hell*, and former wife of “The Wolf of Wall Street,” Dr. Nadine brings both personal experience and professional insight to this conversation with Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew. Together, they explore how controlling relationships can affect your emotional well-being, your access to money, and your confidence in making decisions. **In this episode, we discuss:** - What a trauma bond is and why alternating affection and cruelty can make leaving feel so difficult. - How financial control can appear as caretaking, including encouragement to stop working or pressure to sign documents you don’t understand. - Why gathering financial information can feel overwhelming—and why each step deserves recognition. - How patterns of appeasing others can follow you into conversations with your divorce team. - The connection between emotional support, financial preparation, and greater confidence. - Rebuilding trust in yourself and finding people who understand what you’re experiencing. Whether you’re considering divorce or trying to understand your relationship, this conversation offers a place to begin. You don’t have to have every answer today, and you don’t have to navigate the uncertainty alone. Stay tuned for our upcoming conversation with Dr. Nadine. Free Listener Download Ready to make sense of what you've read? Download our free companion guide, You're Not Crazy: A Guide to Recognizing Trauma Bonds and Reclaiming Your Clarity — inspired by our conversation with Dr. Nadine Macaluso. Inside, you'll find the episode's key lessons, a grounding exercise straight from Dr. Nadine, and reflection prompts to help you apply it all to your own life. **Explore divorce financial planning and free resources at** ⁠My Divorce Solution⁠**.** Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices