From Betrayal to Europe
Her life changed twice before choosing freedom.
Sep 3, 2026 · 35 min · 14 segments
What happens when the life you planned suddenly falls apart—and you have to decide what comes next? Three years after her first appearance on *We Chat Divorce*, bestselling author, filmmaker, and…
Gabrielle StoneGuest
Katherine ShanahanHost
Karen ChellewHostAnd so how did you shift gears in this new relationship? Were you nervous to have that financial conversation? Yeah.

You know, our situation was unique in the sense of we had been together for quite a while.

We were at an age where we were like, okay, we know we want to have a kid together.

And I always said after my first marriage that I was going to have a prenup and I was really like, you know, steadfast on that.

Because the child came into play, what we ended up doing was a living trust thing.

So there were lots of moving pieces that we wanted to make sure everything was just very black and white, if you will.

the kids' sanity in the future for us to be protected individually and as a couple.

Like, it was just the best move for us to have everything very clearly explained.

But I've talked to women, you know, that I've come across from the books and whatnot that have done everything under the sun.

Like, people have cheating clauses now in their prenups that's like, hey, if you do A, B, or C, like, none of this is... holding true.

The attorney that did our living trust was like, I got to be honest, guys, this is wildly more complicated than I usually do for just couples.

And we just wanted to make sure everything was very fair and laid out there for everybody to see? Was it the most comfortable experience to be like, okay, well, if this person dies and this person dies in a fiery plane crash, who gets all of this? No, it's not fun at all to have those conversations.

But I can tell you from my husband and I both growing up that had a tragic passing of a parent it's important to have those things, not only for your own protection individually in the marriage, but for the protection of your kids.

And if a tragedy takes place, like those things not being left up to other people to sort through and deal with is really important, I think.
And so how did you shift gears in this new relationship? Were you nervous to have that financial conversation? Yeah.

You know, our situation was unique in the sense of we had been together for quite a while.

We were at an age where we were like, okay, we know we want to have a kid together.

And I always said after my first marriage that I was going to have a prenup and I was really like, you know, steadfast on that.

Because the child came into play, what we ended up doing was a living trust thing.

So there were lots of moving pieces that we wanted to make sure everything was just very black and white, if you will.

the kids' sanity in the future for us to be protected individually and as a couple.

Like, it was just the best move for us to have everything very clearly explained.

But I've talked to women, you know, that I've come across from the books and whatnot that have done everything under the sun.

Like, people have cheating clauses now in their prenups that's like, hey, if you do A, B, or C, like, none of this is... holding true.

The attorney that did our living trust was like, I got to be honest, guys, this is wildly more complicated than I usually do for just couples.

And we just wanted to make sure everything was very fair and laid out there for everybody to see? Was it the most comfortable experience to be like, okay, well, if this person dies and this person dies in a fiery plane crash, who gets all of this? No, it's not fun at all to have those conversations.

But I can tell you from my husband and I both growing up that had a tragic passing of a parent it's important to have those things, not only for your own protection individually in the marriage, but for the protection of your kids.

And if a tragedy takes place, like those things not being left up to other people to sort through and deal with is really important, I think.
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