No Dems. No Republicans. A Third Party ft. Tom Jopseh

as it relates to what you're trying to do.

And I think we kind of talked about this earlier, the systems engineering aspect of looking at the entire kind of election system, using the business as a way, and then using the primaries in the parties themselves as a way to have better candidates.

I mean, it would seem like a very straightforward way to get into a party and be like, look, you want better candidates because it would help you better represent the people that you're, that you're representing.

I would say, but yeah, I mean, in an aspect, we talked to Ramon Perez and he's trying to do something using technology as a way to help with civic engagement.

And I mean, he's talked about a lot of the challenges that have come up as far as it relates.

Like, are there any kind of like other projects that you know that it might be in the same similar vein as what you're trying to do? Or you think yours is pretty unique as far as using technology to help when it comes to primary elections and civic engagement?

The unique thing about what I think I've uncovered is this loophole.

You know, monopolies...

Let's go back to the business relations.

Monopolies don't come down because somebody figures out how to get through their barrier of entry.

They figure out how to get around it.

You know, so it's always a quantum leap forward.

So...

Frankly, the election reform people hate to hear this.

You know, we can have ranked choice voting everywhere.

We can have open primaries everywhere.

We can overturn Citizens United.

But if we still have this system where party whips can basically make it so that people can easily get reelected, we really haven't solved the problem at the source.

And, you know, getting back to your points, Lawson, is that, hey, if we...

As a monopoly, they keep putting these barriers up and the quality of representation keeps going down.

So if we figure out the system that works a lot better, we'll be able to outperform that primary because, frankly, now people are disengaged because they know it's not compelling.

People know when their input matters or it doesn't.

Their input they want is they want to text message you to death and have you send $5 or $10.

And they don't want to know.

I mean, they're not using technology like Ramon and I are to really find out either what you believe in or who you want to vote for.